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loveMM 发表于 2009-10-2 16:54
原帖由 19岁时尚BOY。徐汇 于 2009102 14:57 发表

朋友 两个游戏好坏之类东西大家出来讨论讨论是可以 但是你这样恶意的捏造事实去攻击FIFA 2010就没这个必要了吧  讨论PES2010和FIFA10的贴不少的 你见有人喷过FI ...

pc版吧

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原帖由 游戏男 于 2009-10-2 14:40 发表
操作一群不真实的建模 首先就别说去模拟比赛了

没有授权的球队呢？

实况的画面进步对于FIFA玩家来说也是个好事

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原帖由 心御剑 于 2009-10-2 18:17 发表
实况的画面进步对于FIFA玩家来说也是个好事

很对
估计fifa2011的人物应该有改善了

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Originally Posted by Jimmy G-Force View Post
The difference between the two is exactly what you mentioned, PES 2010 is natural. By that I mean, you dont require a skill move to pull it off. It's all based around the players stats or technique. Some of the 1st touches by Zlatan are simply phenomenal.

Every single player on FIFA has the exact same 'natural' first touch. That statement is a matter of fact. Any one who disagrees, show me a video clip. This is because FIFA doesnt concentrate on individuality. More the look of the game, rather than the 'feel' of the game. Period.


Agreed. PES has had a number of well documented hiccups along the way but I personally feel they've hit a winner this year.

PES 2010 is not perfect, but neither were any of the old Pro Evos. I think some people put PES 3, 4 and 5 on a bit of a pedestal and forget they had issues too. I think a good marker is whether you feel these kinks are forgiveable or if they are annoying enough to become game breakers. 2008 had too many for me. 2009 was enjoyable but lacked polish and innovation which resulted in a bit of an underwhelming package. If 2010 has all the ML improvements and a solid online then there will be no complaints from me as the match engine is now at a level I expect from a current gen game.

这两款游戏的不同之处就是你前面所提到的，PES2010是真实的。我意思是，你没必要用一个花式动作来过人（PULL IT OFF？）。这完全依赖于球员的能力数值和技能。IB的一些接球动作完全是现象级的。

FIFA里每个球员基本都是一样的接球动作。事实上就是如此。谁不同意可以搬视频上来。这是因为FIFA不专注于球员的个性化。表面文章大于游戏的内在。

我同意。PES has had a number of well documented hiccups along the way 但是我个人感觉今年PES将是赢家。

PES2010不完美，但是不同于以往任何一作。我认为一些人把PES3,4和5捧得很高，但是却忘了它们也有很多问题。我认为好坏的标准应该是这些问题您是否不能原谅或者它恶心到您无法继续玩下去的地步。PES2008有太多这样的问题。2009很好玩，但是缺乏新意，感觉平庸。如果2010能实现所有这些大师联赛的改进而且完善网络对战，那我也就没什么可抱怨的了，而且这代游戏的引擎也确实符合我对次时代游戏的期望。

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LS
太长了
看到一半我就困了

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原帖由 LILIT 于 2009-10-2 18:26 发表
LS
太长了
看到一半我就困了

可以翻一下，但是懒得码字了 长的还有，这都是我看到的非常好的观点和看法，说出了我的心声。大家能看懂的看，看不懂的算。

这还有一篇

Thats what I dont understand about this collision detection malarkey. I thought that was pretty good, funny, but cool. Defender makes connection with a cheeky headbutt, and the keeper gets knocked off balance. It's not like his head went through him like that Ibra and whoever snapshot. Maybe its that clipping stuff I'm not understanding.

Anyway, anyone watch Berbatov tonight ? Some of his first touches were stunning. The one where he got caught offside at the end of the 1st half, and he took it over his shoulder and caught it on the end of his foot, and brought it down, was beautiful, very Bergkamp and Zola-esque. His first time flicks, backheels, touches in general were on a different planet. Thats pure undiluted technical mastery. Even more impressive as he's a big guy, and thats not the normal way of things, Zlatan and Zidane, and probably more excepted.

Played some more WE 10, and this just gets better and better the more I learn it, and the more I play it. Some of the unexpected instinctive flair touches by the top players are awesome. Using R2 and caressing the ball, or moving out of your feet, depending on the stats of the players is class. I saw a few 1st touches from the lesser technical players were the ball bobbled up, they then had to take a couple of touches to get it under control. High technique players take the ball dead. Zlatan took one down over his shoulder with the outside of his left boot, on the run, and set the shot up perfectly. All created because of that ridiculously difficult to pull off 1st touch.

If you weren't fast on PES 2009 then you struggled as a player, and Zlatan was less effective. Now you feel like you are him, with all his qualities, and the same goes for alot of the top players. You would think Henry's shooting and passing had been mo-capped by himself, he representation is frighteningly real.

I also found you cant really standing tackle from behind. Sometimes in other PES titles and definately Fifa, you could get tackled with your back facing the opposing player. That was all wrong and very unrealistic.

I hit a thunderbolt from Gerrard from 40 yards that was flying in the top corner, only to be tipped away at the last minute by an unbelievable finger-tip save. I only used half power but the ball was out of my feet, and I was attacking it with a good three strides. Not managed to get one that close before. Alot of that was Gerrard's long shot card though and the position I put him in for the strike. His strike was a head down and crack it type of strike. You cant direct those in real life, you aim for the target and hope for the best. Sometimes they fly in the top corner, sometimes they dont. But the theory of the shot is one where it will usually continue to rise. So keeping the power lower, helps with overal final height of the rising shot. I tried the theory and it worked. I was skying them over previously.

Also I did have trouble finding corners with shots, hence my earlier post about shots been to linear. I have pulled alot more off now but feel you really need to aim more accurately than before. And timing is everything, missing that window to strike by a split second for 1st time volleys will make the player control it before shooting. You can pull them off. I've done quite a few now, its hard, but possible, and I didnt think that before, hence my rant. I do appreciate the freedom concept of hitting it regardless and with the shot being mis-timed it flys into the stands. And I do love that. But I appreciate the concept of hitting a volley like that flush, and the perfect timing and technique that shot requires. Zidane's winner in the Champs League Final is a good example. So having a small time window for these volleys is a good idea if your looking to replicate the realism of that type of highly technical strike, and have success.

Also, and this was weird, but I scored three goals, from inside the box twice, and once from 25 yards. They all found the corners better than I could manage previous. The first goal, I noticed on the replay that I pressed shoot just after Zlatan had glanced up to see where the keeper was. It flew in the far corner as aimed. The second goal, I waited for him to look before I shot and same result. And again from 25 yards. Probably just a huge coincidence but I like the thought of the glance up before shooting giving you the added accuracy, as it does in real life.

The tricks are also based on you actual movements naturally and applied for the most part to its controller pad directional equivalent. I like that. And more so that only players with over 70%, 80% and 90% can pull them off. And they are nice and subtle and feel very relevant to the movement used on the pad.

Yep, I'm loving it.



这就是我对PES这些很傻的球员之间的碰撞效果不明白的地方。我认为这些动作不错，很有趣，而且很酷。防守球员用无耻的头球干扰了门将的平衡。这并不是截图里面所显示的他的头穿过了他。可能还是一些我不清楚的地方吧。


哦~还有，各位看了今晚贝巴的表演了么？他的接球技术好极了。就是那个上半场最后阶段被吹越位的那个球，接球、挑过肩膀、卸球、一气呵成，很有冰王子和左拉的影子。他的第一时间反映，后脚跟传球，接球简直是火星技术。太NB了。而且他还是个大个子啊，这可不符合一般规律。

WE10玩的越多，我就发现它越好，而我学到的越多，我就玩的更多。一些顶级球员意想不到的出色接球动作太NB了。最经典的是使用R2键护球，或者移动，完全依靠你这个球员的能力值。我从一些一般的球员身上见过一些接球动作，球会不稳定，或弹起或漏掉，所以他们需要更多的时间和动作来调整，来控制球。对于高水平的球员，球就像黏在他身上一样。IB能在跑动中用左脚外脚背接高球，而且能完美的连接射门动作。这些都源于ridiculously difficult to pull off 1st touch（荒谬的高难度接球？）

如果你在PES2009里速度不够快，那做为一个有竞争力的球员，IB的影响不大。而现在凭着他的能力，你能感觉你就是现实中的他，这点也适用于其他顶级球员。你可能认为亨利的射门和传球能力被他自己MO-CAPPED（掩饰，低调？）了。这就是现实。

我还发现大多数背身拿球的情况下，你很难搞定对手。但是在其他几作PES里还有就是FIFA，你能很轻松的在背身拿球的情况下搞定对手，这是非常不真实的。

我用杰拉德射了一脚40码距离的怒射，然后球飞向了球门左上角，但被一次神奇的扑救化解了。我只用了一半力量，然后球离开了我的脚，紧接着我一个漂亮的3个跨步动作，最后射门！我事先并没有想到会有这样的动作。这些都应该和杰拉德的远射卡片还有我把它的位置移到了锋线。His strike was a head down and crack it type of strike（他并不擅长锋线？）。你并不能在现实中导演这一切，你需要做的只是尽力的去射向球门，然后期待有最好的结果发生。有时会飞向死角，有时则不会。但是射门的理论是他总会持续上升。所以保持较低的力度，通过控制球最后的上升高度来帮助提高命中率。我试了这个理论，而且它确实奏效。我过去远射都是打飞机的。
还有我也在寻找射门方向上有些麻烦，因此在前面说到关于射门线性的规律。我试

过好多次但是我真的觉得这次射门要比以往瞄的更准才行。而时机就是一切，错过

第一时间起脚的机会的话会让球员在射门前再做调整。你可以掌握这个，我现在已

经成功许多次了，这很难，但并不是不可以，而且我当初还不信，看我之前的回帖

。我承认，一次随意的射门从而导致错过时机最后把球踢向看台，这种“随机性”

的概念。我也喜欢这个概念。但是我也欣赏这样的概念，就是一脚射门，通过掌握

好的时机和技巧来完成。齐祖在欧冠上那脚射门就是个好例子。所以能够为成功复

制那些完美的一脚射门提供那么稍纵即逝的机会，我认为是个好主意

还有，就是奇怪的地方，我进了3个球，禁区里两次，25码处一次。3次射门都射向

了我事先没预料到的角度。第一个球，我从回放里注意到，我就在IB抬头看了下门

将位置之后按下了射门键。球射向了瞄准的远角。第二个球，我等待他抬头看完门

将后再射门，同样的结果。25码出的射门也一样。可能只是非常大的巧合，但是我

喜欢射门前抬头看门将位置能增加射门精度这样的想法。

花式动也是很自然得取决于你实际的动作而且很大部分是通过方向键来完成。我喜

、欢这样。而且只有超过70%、80%、90%的人能做出来。而且这些动作很漂亮且不可

思议，而且感觉和在控制器上使用的动作有这非常大的关系。

是的，我爱PES

[ 本帖最后由 sdsdsdsd 于 2009-10-2 20:39 编辑 ]

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楼上的评论是哪儿的？

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请35和37楼的朋友进行简单的翻译，外语资料必须进行至少一句话的翻译是本版的版规，谢谢朋友们费心了

这次we和fifa都别扭

请35楼朋友简单翻译一下,谢谢,另外请提供链接

我英语水平一般,不过好象看见不少对WE2010的正面评价呀

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FM最高

我试着翻一下，达人有速度的可以帮帮忙

感觉第一段似乎更加的intensive一点，大意就是we更加注重个体，你控制每一个球员你都能感觉到是在控制那一个球员，而这一点在fifa里面是体会不到的

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就整体的真实性而言，非法现在确实领先实况。