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差不多都看完了吧,来讨论下源代码的最后5分钟(100楼达成,追加问题和结束语)

我不认为这片中提到了现实的平行世界。
不过是主角在进入他人最后记忆的过程中,发现了可以通过改变创造出不同的脑补世界。
而最后5分钟,进而揭示了猪脚可以不依赖现实世界的本体,而一直活在某一脑部世界中了。
最后1分钟,说明在脑补世界里又有脑补世界,是可以嵌套的。而在本电影中没涉及嵌套。


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我的理解:
重现死人回忆并不是为了创造一个新世界,而是确定平行世界的精确坐标,老师的回忆是确定平行世界的唯一参考,源代码系统是拿老师的回忆连接平行世界的。
卡普空游戏象生化危机,鬼武者都有这么一个谜题:某个关键物品在某处,必须用和等重的物品将其置换出来。
源代码系统是投机取巧,用大兵把老师“换”出来,于是有了这样的对话,大兵问:为什么是我?博士答:因为你的血型,年龄还是啥。和老师最相像。(看来在平行世界,有一些自检杀毒机制 ,其实本片最扯淡是在这里,如果象阿凡大那样的双胞胎设定更好一些)
最后5分钟呢,按照量子力学的“我想看月亮,月亮才会存在”的理解,还是没有啥漏洞的:D



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原帖由 Guycc 于 2011-9-1 16:51 发表
我说这帖子怎么能发展的这么快,原来还是这个模式...
只可惜源代码不是任天堂,没那么多无脑黑来支持楼主...

是我攻击的楼主英语听力、或是观影注意力的问题,原因是由于,在我的个人理解来说,楼主的疑惑、或是 ...
狗子从来为了点击都是牺牲自我的。。。。


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原帖由 三光 于 2011-9-1 22:51 发表



完全没看出来是在暗示平行世界。:

男主角和印度人的对话
男主角:我还真搅合了,我在火车上给你打电话了,
男主角:就在爆炸前 7点46分,他们呼叫了你
印度人:你可能给我打了电话,但我在这边收不到。 ...
其实不用多说,我们看导演的访谈吧
http://collider.com/duncan-jones-interview-source-code-3/83616/

Duncan Jones Interview SOURCE CODE

关于源代码的性质

SPOILERS:
Going back to the eight minutes thing, so you’re re-experiencing the same eight minutes and since he knows that, at least in all the initial ones, the ending doesn’t really matter so he’s got to kind of, you know, he knows it’s the last eight minutes of his life so he can go and beat up the guys and it doesn’t really matter to him, but with that final permutation where he doesn’t really know what’s going to happen, what were some of the difficulties of going in to that final one, where he’s got to kind of get it right this one time, he doesn’t get another chance?

JONES: The final one is kind of the easiest one because by that time he really knows what he needs to do and the question just becomes, well, in his mind, in Colter's mind, he's going to get everything right, he's going to save all the passengers on this train and then he's going to die, and that's going to be the end of things.
So for him it's very clear what his goal is. He's going to save those people on the train and make that ultimate soldier sacrifice.
Obviously things don't turn out that way because the nature of the Source Code [laughs] is that he's now in this parallel reality which actually allows him to go on living having killed Sean Fentress, and live out his life in the body of a school teacher who obviously has a relationship with Michelle Monaghan or Christina. [pause] That stumped you didn't it!
导演这里说到,源代码的性质实际上是平行的现实。


关于影片的那个定格、结局、和闪回的雕像

SPOILERS:
One thing that I found very refreshing in this film was the fact that the romance between the leads, Jake and Michelle, wasn't like, the key factor in the story.Was that your choice or was it the key factor in the script and you changed it or…?


JONES: No, again, that was always part of the script.
The only tweak I made is as opposed to ending on that I felt it was really important to follow up on this loose end.
But that was there, and I think the level of it and how it kind of weaved in with all of the other stuff that was going on, that was in the script, and I think it was really well done.

SPOILERS:
When you say, “ending on that” did the movie end on that freeze frame?


JONES: No, it was actually on the bean, the big sculpture outside of Chicago. They tried that out and I sat there sulking!

So the freeze frame doesn’t really happen, they just kind of play it out and then walk off?

JONES: Oh what? You mean in the script? Oh, in the script it didn’t exist at all. In the script there was no freeze frame, there wasn’t even a bean, it was just, it was quite, in that respect, visually that was my interpretation. Originally it was based in New York the script. And in a very, you know, obvious sexual metaphor, the train would disappear in to a tunnel at the end of each sequence. Well, at the very end of the film it disappeared in to a tunnel, and I didn’t think that was necessarily the way I wanted to go with it. And we ended up moving the story to Chicago, and I was a big fan of the Anish Kapoor sculpture which is that big reflective kidney bean in Chicago. And I thought for me, that was not only useful as a visual but also we have this series of nightmarish flashbacks that he has each time he gets sent back, and it was great because you could actually use close ups of that as your visual and have no idea what it was you were looking at, it was almost like this weird kaleidoscopic effect, and then over the course of the film you get further and further back and you reveal more and more and then there’s this thing that still looks really alien and weird, but it’s an actual physical thing in a real place, and that’s where we go to at the end of the film.

[ 本帖最后由 zo 于 2011-9-2 00:03 编辑 ]

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至少比楼主大力吹捧的变刚3好看多了:D

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个人观点,最后5分钟是需要的。

博士多次警告主角不要超出任务范围行动,就暗示了这一点。我记得有段情节是提示主角火车某处有枪,这说明博士知道源代码能创造出完整的超出教师本人所知道范围的世界。

片中好像有两次都是超出8分钟主角才回去的,一次被火车撞,一次中枪,说明了只有主角在这个新世界死亡才能返回原来的世界。
所以现实世界中无论被拔管与否,他都将活在新世界,直到他意外死亡。

这个新世界你可以不称为平行世界,但是最后5分钟是需要的。

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狗子牺牲自我的精神值得敬佩!

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静止后的剧情绝对傻逼

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没有最后5分钟,真的就变成戴着科幻面具的煽情奇幻文艺片了,蝴蝶效应那个档次。

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我相信狗子是为了影视区的点击率才装下限和选择性失明的
不然的话这硬伤太大了

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抢100楼

博士想造一个梦境机,无意造出一个虫洞,然后包括博士在内的所有人都不得而知

而电视机前的高人们全都知道了,如果仅凭“每次进入这个世界,结局都会不同”来判断这就是平行空间,那这部片子一开始所有的人早就开始惊呼了

再问一个问题,如果8分钟到的时候,主人公没有死,是不是就会继续存活在这个世界中?

答案1,8分钟就会回来,不管死没死。   那么这是一个只能开启8分钟的虫洞, 这样的话最后主人公留了下来就是个无敌大bug

答案2,只要没死,就能留下来。      这样的话,这套系统在实验阶段就会发现这一现象,用不着一惊一乍的吓唬主人公。



最后,不是你们能理解平行世界而我不能,也不是你们想到了平行世界而我没想到,我也考虑了平行世界但进儿否定了这种可能,理由前面说了很多了,漏洞很多,包括两个世界共存,包括其他设定,包括看全片的体验,我不觉得一个理论在片中完全没有提及但却是最终真相的这种处理方式是有大脑的,尤其是片中没有给出平行世界的任何文字或对话的提示,仿佛不用说观众都该知道一样。

也许用平行世界的逻辑来解构这部电影会让全片在逻辑上更靠谱一些,但我认为一套根本不贴合导演意图的理论即便在逻辑上无懈可击,那也没有任何意义。平行党大可用不着牛逼哄哄喷我的智商和理解力好像平行世界是你们发明的一样。

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这个超过8分钟没死,估计也和盗梦空间一样,需要死亡(包括自杀)才能回到现实一样吧。

当然,这个睡梦中的量子平行世界,创造者是可以进行一些极为细微的小调整的(或者说可以开启一些上帝模式,告诉一些特定的细节)。

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原帖由 aweiwei 于 2011-9-2 14:18 发表
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这个超过8分钟没死,估计也和盗梦空间一样,需要死亡(包括自杀)才能回到现实一样吧。

当然,这个睡梦中的量子平行世界,创造者是可以进行一些极为细微的小调整的( ...
但是这就和之前那个博士的理论完全背离了, 试问,一个研究了多少年的机器,无意中打开虫洞而不自知倒也算了,连基本的设定都和初始设定大相径庭,还没有一个人能够发现?!


我前面就已经说过了,也许平行世界理论更完美,但在故事交代层面,无疑是渣中之渣,成为了科幻宅脑补YY的温床罢了

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原帖由 上海狗狗 于 2011-9-2 14:08 发表
再问一个问题,如果8分钟到的时候,主人公没有死,是不是就会继续存活在这个世界中?

答案1,8分钟就会回来,不管死没死。   那么这是一个只能开启8分钟的虫洞, 这样的话最后主人公留了下来就是个无敌大bug

答案2,只要没死,就能留下来。      这样的话,这套系统在实验阶段就会发现这一现象,用不着一惊一乍的吓唬主人公。 ...
没死,就会留下,直到源代码系统强制将主角召回原世界。

我个人认为主管是知晓这个结果的,但是他刻意向主角隐瞒。
这是因为,如果源代码的世界是一个真实的平行世界,那么主角的行为可能会严重损害平行宇宙中人的利益甚至是生命。
侵犯平行宇宙的利益而使本宇宙获益,这种行为不说是犯罪也是存在着伦理上的问题。更别提主角如果知晓真相,必然会妨碍到任务的正常执行。
于是项目的主管就以“模拟8分钟”、“那个世界没有后来”“所有乘客都是虚拟的可以随便做什么”为幌子来蒙蔽主角和工作人员,同时也让项目的参与者更能够接受他们的工作。


另外导演意图是不是要表现平宇,狗子不看俺94楼的帖子么。。。。

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原帖由 上海狗狗 于 2011-9-2 14:08 发表
也许用平行世界的逻辑来解构这部电影会让全片在逻辑上更靠谱一些,但我认为一套根本不贴合导演意图的理论即便在逻辑上无懈可击,那也没有任何意义。平行党大可用不着牛逼哄哄喷我的智商和理解力好像平行世界是你们发明的一样。
以前我不知道啥叫选择性失明……

现在导演访谈就放在你的脑袋上面没多远……

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