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» 《最后的遗迹》英文版心得综合(4月1日更新XO版全部佣兵评价,请达人补充PC版7人众)
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《最后的遗迹》英文版心得综合(4月1日更新XO版全部佣兵评价,请达人补充PC版7人众)
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所有有文字背景介绍的Leader情况,可以不用看日文版了,回头我会翻译,先摘下来:
Rush - Fire Defense - A, Thunder Defense - A, Ice Defense - A, Acid Defense - A, Poison Defense - A, Slice Defense - A, Bludgeon Defense - A, Maul Defense - A, Pierce Defense - A
Morale: B, Growth Type - Balanced, Formation Attribute: Physical, Mystical, Agility, Recovery, Special
Can learn all combat arts, mystical arts and item arts.
Can learn Many WA from various weapons
Baulson- Fire Defense - C, Thunder Defense - B, Ice Defense - B, Acid Defense - A, Poison Defense - C, Slice Defense - B, Bludgeon Defense - A, Maul Defense - C, Pierce Defense - C
Morale: A, Growth Type - Physical, Formation Attribute: Physical, Agility
Balanced Route - Superlative Glaive
Physical Route - Shielding Glaive
Mystical Route - Enchanted Glaive
WA - Heaven's Gate
Can Learn Remedies, Herbs and Potions
David - Fire Defense - A, Thunder Defense - B, Ice Defense - B, Acid Defense - C, Poison Defense - C, Slice Defense - A, Bludgeon Defense - B, Maul Defense - C, Pierce Defense - C
Morale: S, Growth Type - Balanced, Formation Attribute: Physical, Mystical, Agility, Recovery, Special
Balanced Route - Superior Bluesteel/Divine Buckler or FrostBlade Virtutis
Physical Route - Superior Bluesteel/Divine Buckle or FrostBlade Virtutis
Mystical Route - Superior Bluesteel/Divine Buckle or FrostBlade Virtutis
WA - Snowbind
Unique Art - Ex Machina
Conjuration - Gae Bolg
Can Learn Remedies, Herbs, Invocation and Shards
Torgal - Fire Defense - A, Thunder Defense - A, Ice Defense - A, Acid Defense - A, Poison Defense - A, Slice Defense - B, Bludgeon Defense - A, Maul Defense - C, Pierce Defense - C
Morale: A, Growth Type - Physical, Formation Attribute: Physical, Mystical, Agility, Recovery, Special
Balanced Route - Gremory Dominus
Physical Route - Halpas Dominus
Mystical Route - Gremory Dominus
WA - Hawkarang with Physical, Cerulian Rain with Balanced or Mystic
Can Learn Evocation, Potions, Psionics
Pagus - Fire Defense - C, Thunder Defense - B, Ice Defense - A, Acid Defense - B, Poison Defense - C, Slice Defense - C, Bludgeon Defense - B, Maul Defense - A, Pierce Defense - C
Morale: A, Growth Type - Mystical, Formation Attribute: Physical, Mystical, Agility, Recovery, Special
Balanced Route - Superlative Wand
Physical Route - Shielded Wand
Mystical Route - Enchanted Wand
WA - Daisy Chain, Magalore (From Heartache)
Can Learn Invocation, Herbs, Remedies, Wards
Blockter - Fire Defense - C, Thunder Defense - B, Ice Defense - B, Acid Defense - A, Poison Defense - C, Slice Defense - B, Bludgeon Defense - A, Maul Defense - C, Pierce Defense - C
Morale: S, Growth Type - Physical, Formation Attribute: Physical, Mystical, Agility, Recovery, Special
Balanced Route - Superlative Executioner
Physical Route - Might Executioner
Mystical Route - Rune Executioner
WA - None
Can Learn Herbs, Hex, Traps
Loki - Fire Defense - A, Thunder Defense - B, Ice Defense - B, Acid Defense - C, Poison Defense - C, Slice Defense - A, Bludgeon Defense - B, Maul Defense - C, Pierce Defense - C
Morale: A, Growth Type - Balanced, Formation Attribute: Physical, Mystical, Agility, Recovery, Special
Balanced Route - Superlative Scythe
Physical Route - Might Scythe
Mystical Route - Rune Scythe
WA - ?
Can Learn Invocation, Herbs, Hex
Caedmon - Fire Defense - A, Thunder Defense - A, Ice Defense - A, Acid Defense - A, Poison Defense - A, Slice Defense - B, Bludgeon Defense - A, Maul Defense - C, Pierce Defense - C
Morale: C, Growth Type - Physical, Formation Attribute: Physical, Mystical, Agility, Recovery
Balanced Route - Buer Dominus
Physical Route - Buer Dominus
Mystical Route - Buer Dominus
WA - Heaven's Gate
Can Learn Evocation, Herbs, Remedies, Potions, Traps
Violet - Fire Defense - C, Thunder Defense - A, Ice Defense - B, Acid Defense - B, Poison Defense - C, Slice Defense - B, Bludgeon Defense - A, Maul Defense - C, Pierce Defense - C
Morale: A, Growth Type - Physical, Formation Attribute: Physical, Mystical, Agility, Recovery, Special
Balanced Route - Imperial Staff at BR 70, Divine Sceptor at BR 75
Physical Route - Damacus Sceptor
Mystical Route - Prismatic Sceptor
WA - Imperial Staff WA (Wall - put up a magical shield)
Can Learn Hex, Remedies, Explosives
Gaberial - Fire Defense - A, Thunder Defense - B, Ice Defense - B, Acid Defense - C, Poison Defense - C, Slice Defense - B, Bludgeon Defense - A, Maul Defense - C, Pierce Defense - C
Morale: B, Growth Type - Physical, Formation Attribute: Physical, Mystical, Agility, Recovery, Special
Balanced Route - Superlative Bluesteel/Superlative Soul Shield
Physical Route - Shielding Bluesteel/Shielding Soul Shield
Mystical Route - Enchanted Bluesteel/Enchanted Soul Shield
WA - Cerulian Rain, Soul Shield
Can Learn Invocation, Herbs, Potions, Lotions
Nora - Fire Defense - C, Thunder Defense - A, Ice Defense - B, Acid Defense - B, Poison Defense - C, Slice Defense - A, Bludgeon Defense - B, Maul Defense - C, Pierce Defense - C
Morale: B, Growth Type - Balanced, Formation Attribute: Physical, Mystical, Recovery
Balanced Route - Superlative Blackjack
Physical Route - Shielding Blackjack
Mystical Route - Enchanted Blackjack
WA - Double Down
Can Learn Invocation, Hex, Lotions
Maddox - Fire Defense - C, Thunder Defense - B, Ice Defense - A, Acid Defense - B, Poison Defense - C, Slice Defense - C, Bludgeon Defense - B, Maul Defense - A, Pierce Defense - C
Morale: S, Growth Type - Mystical, Formation Attribute: Physical, Mystical, Agility, Recovery, Special
Balanced Route - Superlative Swordbreaker/Crystal Buckler
Physical Route - Superlative Swordbreaker/Crystal Buckler
Mystical Route - Superlative Swordbreaker/Crystal Buckler
WA - Swordbreak
Can Learn Invocation, Herbs, Hex, Remedies
Rhagol - Fire Defense - A, Thunder Defense - B, Ice Defense - B, Acid Defense - C, Poison Defense - C, Slice Defense - C, Bludgeon Defense - B, Maul Defense - A, Pierce Defense - C
Morale: C, Growth Type - Mystical, Formation Attribute: Physical, Mystical, Agility, Recovery, Special
Balanced Route - Superlative Scythe
Physical Route - Might Scythe
Mystical Route - Rune Scythe
WA - Swordbreak
Can Learn Hex, Remedies, Lotions
Leshu - Fire Defense - C, Thunder Defense - B, Ice Defense - A, Acid Defense - B, Poison Defense - C, Slice Defense - C, Bludgeon Defense - B, Maul Defense - A, Pierce Defense - C
Morale: C, Growth Type - Mystical, Formation Attribute: Physical, Mystical, Agility, Recovery, Special
Balanced Route - Superlative Morningstar
Physical Route - Shieding Morningstar
Mystical Route - Enchanted Morningstar
WA - DrillHammer
Can Learn Invocation, Herbs, Hex, Remedies
Glenys - Fire Defense - C, Thunder Defense - A, Ice Defense - B, Acid Defense - B, Poison Defense - C, Slice Defense - B, Bludgeon Defense - A, Maul Defense - C, Pierce Defense - C
Morale: B, Growth Type - Physical, Formation Attribute: Physical, Mystical, Agility, Recovery, Special
Balanced Route - Superlative Taratachi
Physical Route - Shielding Taratachi
Mystical Route - Enchanted Taratachi
WA - Swordflash
Can Learn Evocation, Herbs, Remedies
Darian - Fire Defense - C, Thunder Defense - B, Ice Defense - A, Acid Defense - B, Poison Defense - C, Slice Defense - C, Bludgeon Defense - B, Maul Defense - A, Pierce Defense - C
Morale: S, Growth Type - Physical, Formation Attribute: Physical, Mystical, Agility, Recovery, Special
Balanced Route - Superlative Pitchfork
Physical Route - Might Pitchfork
Mystical Route - Runepitchfork
WA - None
Can Learn Potions, Herbs, Lotions, Remedies
Emmy - Fire Defense - C, Thunder Defense - A, Ice Defense - B, Acid Defense - B, Poison Defense - C, Slice Defense - B, Bludgeon Defense - A, Maul Defense - C, Pierce Defense - C
Morale: C, Growth Type - Physical, Formation Attribute: Physical, Mystical, Agility, Recovery, Special
Balanced Route - Nightbloom Virtutis/Superlative Bluesteel
Physical Route - Nightbloom Virtutis/Superlative Bluesteel
Mystical Route - Nightbloom Virtutis/Superlative Bluesteel
WA - SnowPetal
Unique Art - Hundred Flowers
Summon - Namul Niram
Can Learn Hex, Remedies, Traps
Roberto - Fire Defense - A, Thunder Defense - B, Ice Defense - B, Acid Defense - C, Poison Defense - C, Slice Defense - B, Bludgeon Defense - A, Maul Defense - C, Pierce Defense - C
Morale: S, Growth Type - Physical, Formation Attribute: Physical, Mystical, Agility, Recovery, Special
Balanced Route - Superlative Highbrand
Physical Route - Shieding Highbrand
Mystical Route - Enchanted Highbrand
WA - Holy Win
Can Learn Invocation, Potions, Explosives
Goau - Fire Defense - C, Thunder Defense - B, Ice Defense - B, Acid Defense - A, Poison Defense - C, Slice Defense - B, Bludgeon Defense - A, Maul Defense - C, Pierce Defense - C
Morale: S, Growth Type - Physical, Formation Attribute: Physical, Mystical, Agility, Recovery, Special
Balanced Route - Obsidian Virtutis
Physical Route - Obsidian Virtutis
Mystical Route - Obsidian Virtutis
WA - Multi Union Mystical WA
Can Learn Hex, Potions, Traps
Allan - Fire Defense - A, Thunder Defense - A, Ice Defense - A, Acid Defense - A, Poison Defense - A, Slice Defense - C, Bludgeon Defense - B, Maul Defense - A, Pierce Defense - C
Morale: B, Growth Type - Physical, Formation Attribute: Physical, Mystical, Agility, Recovery, Special
Balanced Route - Gremory Dominus
Physical Route - Halpas Dominus
Mystical Route - Paimon Dominus
WA - Balanced -> Cerulian Rain, Physical - Hawkarang, Mystical - Demonsblow, however he seems unable to use WA
Can Learn Invocation, Hex, Explosives, Shards, Traps
Paris - Fire Defense - A, Thunder Defense - B, Ice Defense - B, Acid Defense - C, Poison Defense - C, Slice Defense - C, Bludgeon Defense - B, Maul Defense - A, Pierce Defense - C
Morale: C, Growth Type - Mystical, Formation Attribute: Physical, Mystical, Agility, Recovery, Special
Balanced Route - Divine Greatstaff
Physical Route - Damacus Greatstaff
Mystical Route - Prismatic Greatstaff
WA - None
Can Learn Invocation, Remedies, Traps
Jager - Fire Defense - A, Thunder Defense - B, Ice Defense - B, Acid Defense - C, Poison Defense - C, Slice Defense - B, Bludgeon Defense - A, Maul Defense - C, Pierce Defense - C
Morale: B, Growth Type - Physical, Formation Attribute: Physical, Mystical, Agility, Recovery, Special
Balanced Route - Shievona Virtutis / If don't give him Glaive
Physical Route - Shievona Virtutis / If don't give him Poison Glaive
Mystical Route - Shievona Virtutis / If don't give him Poison Glaive
WA - Shievona
Unique Art - Beowolf
Summon - Lode Omen
Can Learn Pisonics, Explosive
Kate - Fire Defense - C, Thunder Defense - A, Ice Defense - B, Acid Defense - B, Poison Defense - C, Slice Defense - C, Bludgeon Defense - B, Maul Defense - A, Pierce Defense - C
Morale: C, Growth Type - Mystical, Formation Attribute: Physical, Mystical, Agility, Recovery, Special
Balanced Route - Superlative Scythe/Superlative Soul Shield
Physical Route - Might Scythe/Shielded Soul Shield
Mystical Route - Rune Scythe/Enchanted Soul Shield
WA - Soul Shield
Can Learn Evocations, Hex, Explosives
Sheryl - Fire Defense - C, Thunder Defense - A, Ice Defense - B, Acid Defense - B, Poison Defense - C, Slice Defense - C, Bludgeon Defense - B, Maul Defense - A, Pierce Defense - C
Morale: B, Growth Type - Mystical, Formation Attribute: Physical, Mystical, Agility, Recovery, Special
Balanced Route - Suerperlative Vace
Physical Route - Might Vace
Mystical Route - Rune Vace
WA - None
Can Learn Evocation, Hex, Lotions
Irina - Fire Defense - C, Thunder Defense - A, Ice Defense - B, Acid Defense - B, Poison Defense - C, Slice Defense - C, Bludgeon Defense - B, Maul Defense - A, Pierce Defense - C
Morale: C, Growth Type - Mystical, Formation Attribute: Physical, Mystical, Agility, Recovery, Special
Balanced Route - Suerperlative Vace
Physical Route - Might Vace
Mystical Route - Rune Vace
WA - None
Unique Arts - Omnistrike
Can Learn Lotions, Remedies, Psionics, Shards, Traps
Zolean - Fire Defense - C, Thunder Defense - B, Ice Defense - B, Acid Defense - A, Poison Defense - C, Slice Defense - C, Bludgeon Defense - B, Maul Defense - A, Pierce Defense - C
Morale: S, Growth Type - Mystical, Formation Attribute: Physical, Mystical, Agility, Recovery, Special
Balanced Route - Sacred Uchigatana
Physical Route - Muramasa
Mystical Route - Gem Uchigatana
WA - None
Can Learn Invocation,Evocation, Hex, Traps
Yunival - Fire Defense - C, Thunder Defense - B, Ice Defense - B, Acid Defense - A, Poison Defense - C, Slice Defense - C, Bludgeon Defense - A, Maul Defense - A, Pierce Defense - C
Morale: C, Growth Type - Mystical, Formation Attribute: Physical, Mystical, Agility, Recovery, Special
Balanced Route - Superlative Spear Type Huge Weapon (dunno name)
Physical Route - Shielded Spear Type Huge Weapon
Mystical Route - Enchanted Spear type Huge Weapon
WA - Huge Spear Weapon WA
Can Learn Invocations, Evocations, Hex, Potions
Duke of Ghor - Fire Defense - C, Thunder Defense - B, Ice Defense - B, Acid Defense - A, Poison Defense - C, Slice Defense - B, Bludgeon Defense - A, Maul Defense - C, Pierce Defense - C
Morale: C, Growth Type - Physical, Formation Attribute: Physical, Mystical, Agility, Recovery, Special
Balanced Route - Bilqis Virtutis
Physical Route - Bilqis Virtutis
Mystical Route - Bilqis Virtutis
WA - Bel'kwinith's Fury
Can Learn Potions, Psionics
Sibel - Fire Defense - C, Thunder Defense - B, Ice Defense - A, Acid Defense - B, Poison Defense - C, Slice Defense - B, Bludgeon Defense - A, Maul Defense - C, Pierce Defense - C
Morale: A, Growth Type - Physical, Formation Attribute: Physical, Mystical, Agility, Recovery, Special
Balanced Route - Imperial Spear at BR 70, Divine Pike at BR 75
Physical Route - Divine Pike
Mystical Route - Prismatic Pike
WA - None
Can Learn Invocations, Herbs, Lotions, Explosives
Haruko - Fire Defense - C, Thunder Defense - A, Ice Defense - B, Acid Defense - B, Poison Defense - C, Slice Defense - C, Bludgeon Defense - B, Maul Defense - A, Pierce Defense - C
Morale: C, Growth Type - Mystical, Formation Attribute: Physical, Mystical, Agility, Recovery
Balanced Route - Superlative Vace
Physical Route - Superlative Vace
Mystical Route - Superlative Vace
WA - None
Can Learn Invocation,Lotions, Remedies
Wyngale - Fire Defense - A, Thunder Defense - A, Ice Defense - A, Acid Defense - A, Poison Defense - A, Slice Defense - C, Bludgeon Defense - B, Maul Defense - A, Pierce Defense - C
Morale: B, Growth Type - Mystical, Formation Attribute: Physical, Mystical, Agility, Recovery, Special
Balanced Route - Halpas/Halpas Dominus
Physical Route - Halpas/Halpas Dominus
Mystical Route - Morax Dominus
WA - Swordflash - Mystical Route only
Can Learn Invocations, Evocations, Hex, Remedies, Psionics, Wards, Shards, Traps
Khrynia - Fire Defense - C, Thunder Defense - A, Ice Defense - B, Acid Defense - B, Poison Defense - C, Slice Defense - A, Bludgeon Defense - B, Maul Defense - C, Pierce Defense - C
Morale: A, Growth Type - Balanced, Formation Attribute: Physical, Mystical, Agility, Recovery, Special
Balanced Route - Superlative Demonblade
Physical Route - Shielding Demonblade
Mystical Route - Enchanted Demonblade
WA - Demonsblow
Can Learn Invocations, Evocations, Hex, Explosives, Shards
Leucuthius - Fire Defense - A, Thunder Defense - A, Ice Defense - A, Acid Defense - A, Poison Defense - A, Slice Defense - C, Bludgeon Defense - B, Maul Defense - A, Pierce Defense - C
Morale: C, Growth Type - Mystical, Formation Attribute: Physical, Mystical, Agility, Recovery
Balanced Route - Oriax Dominus
Physical Route - Gremory Dominus
Mystical Route - Paimon Dominus
WA - Balanced - Holy Win, Physical - Cerulian Rain, Mystical - Demonsblow
Can Learn Invocations, Evocations, Hex, Remedies, Psionics, Explosives
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而且不要小看大众脸的Leader,
Elysion的Yamos的最终武器是Masterblade,据说拥有威力最大的武器特殊技。
Athlum 的Infili 使用两把Demon Blades.
Baltarosa的Saramis(圣平原大战之后),会问你要神祖皇帝系的武器Imperial Katana(Yama专用,你自己买来用不了的)……
以上都是gamefaqs的信息
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不知道有没有人挑战最低br杀神,一般要啥掉10回合的神需要br90吧(据点这里浪费的br比较多,我错过杀神任务了)
br90以后加入的队长培养空间就非常有限了。杀忘却之翼,每次只能有6个人升级,杀到br100就只有3个人涨能力了(我培养魔女br从90-100,int才加了10点)
从游戏设计角度来讲,leader要了指定武器以后,学到的武器特殊技应该更强,不过现在的经验恰恰相反,所以应该还有研究空间。上面的数据应该是什么武器都不给,所学到的wa吧
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油拖把里的lr视频都被删除了。。。
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sdAsI1JVAY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSHobQS4ZSs
没有啊……
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Rank 1: 在Ivory Peak杀掉Bloodthirsty Beast
要点:进门三只恐龙都在奔跑,而不是打瞌睡,不能有大眼球,翼龙或者Demon,位置在对着出口的大下坡处和几只fly在一起
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbVqqL_EvrQ
Rank 2:在Catacombs杀掉Sledgehammer
要点:进门之后到大厅,对面有一只蝴蝶(不能是珍惜蝴蝶,那只珍惜怪会在对面的左侧打瞌睡),不能是Chimera类的怪,然后来到东区,直走来到岔路左转,来到一间有qsiti族盗贼的房间右转进门就是了,不能有青蛙Glutton或者大甲虫在Y字岔路那里堵路(在刚进东区的某个房间里面也不能有青蛙或者甲虫,看到了就回跑或者读档吧)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WE1bd5y9q_Y
Rank 3:在Aveclyff杀掉Whitehorn
要点:进门是蜘蛛Spider而不是树精,到大厅之后楼下广场有两条龙,然后左转去upper level东南角的房间,再往东走一间到下面中间那个房间检查有没有一只秃鹰在门口,如果有就读档,没有的话有一定机率Whitehorn会出现在 upper level的左上角房间,那个房间有一个宝箱(本帖网友纷纷表示刷此怪的经历十分痛苦)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgpLow5l3c8
Rank 4: 在Fornstrand杀掉Nightingale
要点:进门往前走几步如果看到有Vanargand(狼狗模样的怪)就会大地图重进,如果是Oarfish就再往前一点看看某个半岛形状的台上有没有秃鹰,而且地图上不能有普通的秃鹰而那种突然出现的乌贼怪,如果都没有也有可能是诅咒大鸟的稀有怪spawn了
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lr的pc版公布。。。。。新增要素太美了
ラストレムント(PC 4月9日 8190円)
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ベンチマークソフトと体験版配信予定。ベンチマークは1月30日から配信
leader上场人数不限,高速战斗模式
凭这两天,就可以再玩一遍了
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leader人数破坏平衡性了,boss等于被虐……
今天想了一个高输出低风险的办法
union 1: Jager一个人或者其他高HP高STR高INT的leader也行
union 2: 魔法系leader1人带2-3魔法杂兵
union 3: 妹妹 + 治愈系杂兵3人
union 4: 极品输出队:主角带防沉默或者debuff-5回合饰品 + Caedmon + Glenys(或者飞斧剑雨leader,猫系大军等等) + 两个高攻高AP杂兵
因为vs 单个boss的multideadlock 3个就完了最后一个是flank,攻击力加成,而主角,Caedmon,Glenys的weapon arts不像Emmy和Jager这样是黄色,是消耗82AP的蓝色的,只要AP到了几乎就会发;这样第一回合攒AP第二回合30万输出不是梦,lost remnant两回合基本就可以搞定
大家可以试试,很牛逼……
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操斑的这个思路我倒是早就在用了,很管用。现在我重新培养了女忍者,她的HP和力量居然巾帼不让须眉,比任何人都好用。用低等级打强大的多锁定系的Boss都是这么打比较容易。
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我想PC版一定会增加Boss难度和AI,所以全体Leader也不用太担心吧。
其实对于我们来说,倒是有6个Leader的限制更加考验战术安排。
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看到这些头像你颤抖了么……
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我顫抖了..........
給我可選擇更新吧
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帧数也稳定,还能随便用LEADER,还有加速模式,可惜打材料练技能太废时间,不然PC版真想重玩一遍。。。
SE也行行好吧,360版赏一个leader patch+新DLC做补偿吧。。。
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官方blog说已经发布的三个DLC是第一弹,以后还会有的
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我发现可以收50名同伴了,全人物培养美啊
360版就算可以上那么多人。。。。br太高,也来不及培养了
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