（转贴）火箭论坛：关于姚明这几年

原文联结：http://bbs.sports.sohu.com/r-yaoming1-703194-0-21-0.html

You keep hearing and reading over and over again about how Yao is FINALLY living up to his draft day expectations. You know what I'm talking about. It's on SportsCenter everyday. You see it in the paper, all over the Internet. To hear it from the NBA "experts," Yao came into the league with "enormous expectations."
It's driving me crazy, because that's not the 2002 draft I remember.
I remember a lot of mockery because the Rockets didn't take Jay Williams. I remember comparisons to Rik Smits at best, Shawn Bradley as most likely, and even comparisons to Serge Zwikker. The most common one word moniker for Yao that was most frequently bandied about wasn't "superstar", it was "stiff".
But this was what we were hearing from most of the "experts". And I don't really mean everybody. There was a verbal minority who insisted that Yao had the tools, the drive, and the opportunity to become great. But even Rudy T said that he'd have to work to become great.
I remember when the draft lottery happened that year. I was visiting my friend in Austin, and when it was announced that the Rockets had gotten the first pick in the draft, I literally screamed "We just got Yao Ming!" ClutchFans (ClutchCity) was alive with excitement. But even so, there was some question as to whether Yao Ming was too much of a gamble.
Who went back and re-wrote history? It's absolutely infuriating to me that the guys on ESPN or TNT or ABC will sit there with a strait face and tell you how big the expectations where for Yao just to make themselves look good on TV. As if Yao Ming has been any kind of a disappointment... EVER.
Here's a challenge for you. How many of you can actually find articles from 2002 outlining Yao's "unrealistic" expectations. Find some kind of '02 hype for Yao that was unfounded.
I just remember Charles Barkley kissing ass on TNT. But oh yeah, that was for EXCEEDING expectations.
你不断的，一次又一次的听到，读到关于姚明最终没有辜负NBA选秀那天对他的期望。你们知道我在说什么。这每天都出现在ESPN的SportsCenter上面。你可以通过报纸，因特网看到，去听所谓的NBA专家说：“姚明带着很大的期望进入NBA联盟”。这让我快疯了，因为在02年的选秀上，情况不是这样的。
我仍然记得当火箭没有选择Jay Williams时，一大堆对火箭的抱怨。我记得当时人们认为姚明最好的结果可能是象Rik Smits一样。但大多数人们认为他顶多能够和Shawn Bradley比肩而已。最多，最经常用来形容姚明的一个词汇不是超级，而是僵硬。
我记得当抽签结果出来以后，我正去Austin探望我的朋友，我当时只是夸张的喊道，“我们选择了姚明”，火箭的直播也只是兴奋。但是即使如此，对于选择姚明是否有太多的风险，仍然存在争论。
谁重新回去再写了历史？每当看到ESPN的评论员坐在那里，面无表情的说道，当姚明进入联盟的时候，人们对他有多大的期望。这让我感到非常的不爽，这些话只是让在电视上的他们看起来是多么的英明。如果姚明给人们带来任何一种的失望的时候。。。。
这里有个挑战，你们当中有多少人能够找出从02年开始人们对姚明的评论，那些关于姚明永远不可能达到人们的预期的评论。去找到一些没有被发现的，关于对姚明02年选秀铺天盖地的批评吧。
我只记得巴克力在TNT亲吻了驴的屁股。但是好在姚明确实超出了人们对他的期望。


"experts," in any field, are correct something like 30% of the time.
i stopped listening to what "experts" say.
专家，在任何领域，任何时间大约只有30％的可信度。我已经不再听所谓的专家的话了



I remember some analysts predicting Yao would be a bust on the LaRue Martin level of busts. Certainly Shawn Bradley and Rik Smits were the two names most universally used when comparing what Yao might become.

Dicky V
CB4
Bill Simmons

Those are the guys that I remember as slamming Yao the worst when he was first drafted. I think Simmons is the one that brought up the LaRue Martin comparison. Simmons has since come out and admitted that his prediction that Yao would be a bust was one of his worst predictions of all time.
我记得关于对姚明的分析和预测，说姚明会最终象LaRue Martin等软蛋一样最终崩溃。大竹竿布拉德利和Rik Smits是最经常用来和姚明的将来做比较的。
Dicky V
CB4
Bill Simmons
当姚明被第一顺签抽中的时候，这几个家伙是攻击姚明最凶的了。我想Simmons是最早把姚明和LaRue Martin放到一起比较的人，Simmons最终站出来承认，关于他对姚明是软蛋的预测是他所有的预测中最糟糕的一个了。



Of course, Yao was underhyped, underestimated and underrated at the draft by the media. The GMs though are different, but many of them still had doubts.
But people always have a different memory about what they have said before. If the facts are different from theiry memory too much, they feel very very very uncomfortable (like kissing a donkey), that's what is happending now.
当然了，当姚明被选中的时候，他是最没有被媒体看好的，被低估了的球员。但是GMs观点有所不同，但是他们中的大部分人仍然存在疑问。但是人们对他们先前说过的一些话，记忆中往往会有差别的，如果现实和他们记忆中相差悬殊，他们会感到非常，非常的不安（就像亲吻驴子的屁股）。这就是现在发生的事情。



Even so, Yao fulfilled those expectations a couple of seasons ago. People who were paying attention saw him prove his meddle some time ago. And, this season (well, after the ASG last season) I think he's really surpassed what we could have hoped for on draft night. I suppose the difference is that even the people who are paying no attention, the people who would say 'bust' in the face of all evidence, even they must admit he can kinda play.
即使如此，姚早在2个赛季以前，就实现了人们对他的期望。人们早就开始注意姚明正在证明他自己。这个赛季，我想他真正的超出在选秀夜人们对他的期望。我猜想不同之处是即使那些对姚明没有太多关注，以前会说他是软蛋的人们，在现实面前，也多少的会承认他能够打球。



Bulls Don't Need Yao Ming
May 3, 2002
By: andy munger

Last year at this time I told readers what a mistake it would be for the Bulls to draft Yao Ying Ming. It still will. He is working out for NBA scouts this week in Chicago and most experts think he is a great prospect. I think he will make a career backup, not someone worth to be a top ten pick.

Yao Ying Ming is a tall human being and can play and run up the court in China. Basketball over there is not even close to NCAA Division II basketball. Yao Ming may not even make the CBA. He is perhaps the biggest hype the NBA has seen for a long time. He may be able to penetrate inside against Japanese or Korean players in international play, but does anyone really think Ming will move by Shack? The best thing for Yao to do would be to stay over there and get a nice job dropping his dream of playing in the NBA.

It's not that foreign players can't compete in the NBA. In fact, there are two Chinese players already in the NBA. I believe both averaged only 5 points per game. This is how much I would expect Yao Ying Wing to peak in his career. He is soft on top and will not be able to handle the NBA defense or pressure play. I can't blame him for wanting and dreaming of the NBA. There is not much glory playing in Asia and being Asia's best player. His best hope would be to enroll in college and trying to improve his soft game before attempting to embarrass himself in the NBA.

The Bulls had two first round draft picks last year. This year they need to trade their pick for a quality NBA player. Then if they sign another top free agent, the Bulls prospects will look better next year for getting that elusive 25 win game season. They will not get it waiting years for Yao Ting to develop.
公牛不需要姚明
2002年4月3号
撰写人：andy munger
去年的这个时候，我就告诉读者，如果公牛选择姚明会是一个错误，现在我仍旧这么说。这周姚明会到芝加哥试训，很多人对他有很大的期望。我认为他的职业生涯会很糟糕，完全不应该进去前10的顺签。
姚明在CBA联赛里可以打球，可以跑在球场上的任何位置。但是那里的篮球水平甚至比不上NCAA。他甚至不能打大学联赛，他或许是NBA联盟好长时间以来寻找到的最大的噱头。姚明可以在国际比赛里，面对日本，韩国的球员运球突破，但是你们真的相信他可以移动过Shack？对姚明来说，最好是老老实实呆在那里，争取一个好的工作，实现他的NBA梦想。

不是说国外的球员在NBA没有竞争力，实际上，已经有2个中国人在打NBA了，我相信他们可以平均每场比赛得到5分吧，这也是我对姚明职业生涯高峰期的期待。他上部力量太弱，他没有办法打NBA这样的防守和这么大压力的比赛。我不想责备他有NBA的梦想和打球的愿望。在亚洲打球，并获得最佳球员称号不是一个巨大的荣誉。他最好的出路是到大学联赛中，尽力改
善他软弱的比赛风格，不要到NBA自寻其辱。
公牛去年有2个首轮签，他们应该用这去换取一个有质量的NBA球员。如果公牛可以签入一个前三的自由球员，他们新赛季的预期可以更好，可以忘记上个赛季25场胜利的耻辱。他们不应当去等待姚明的成长。



Edit: Here's another article
If Yao can't alter game, why take him?
Bob Wolfley
If you're Rudy Tomjanovich, if you're the Houston Rockets, don't you have to be scared to death about making Yao Ming the first pick in the draft?
This is more pressure than annually goes to the team with the first pick in the draft. There is a sense that the Rockets can't afford not to take him.
Yao, the consensus opinion seems to be, is too big to avoid.
But you can pose in the press all you want. You can exude all the supreme assurance and confidence in your ability to divine the potential of another Ming Dynasty.
But the fact is Yao Ming is 7 feet 5 inches, but he's not a shot-blocker.
Think hard about that.
He's 7-5 and does all these other wonderful things for someone his size: dribble, take the perimeter jump shot, run the floor, pass, score.
But he's not a shot-blocker.
If Yao is not a shot-blocker, then he's not going to be a dominating, game-altering defender or rebounder. What's the point of being 7-5 on this planet if you are not going to be a shot-blocker, defender and rebounder?
Guarantee you Shaquille O'Neal is not losing sleep worrying about how he's going to check Yao Ming. Yet, the Rockets are poised to draft him in hopes of getting past O'Neal and the Los Angeles Lakers in future playoff rounds.
If you're 7-5 and you're not a shot-blocker or a game-altering defender, then what are you?
A bust from a would-be Ming Dynasty is what you are.
这里是另一篇评论
如果姚明不能适应比赛，为什么要选他那
撰稿人：Wolfley
如果你是Rudy Tomjanovich，或者你是火箭球迷。你难道不会因为第一个顺签选择姚明会惊呆的要死吗?这次冠军签给球队带来的压力看起来比以往任何时候都要大。好像有这种感觉，火箭队不能承受如果不选择姚明将会给他们球队带来的压力。姚明同样如此。
你可以装模作样的说出你所希望得到的一切，你可以用你所有的保证和自信，来使一个潜在的，即将到来的姚王朝显得更加的神圣。但是事实使姚明即使有7尺5寸，但是他仍然不是一个有封盖能力的球员，好好想想吧。他7尺5寸，就像任何一个有他这样身高的人一样，可以做一些美好的东西，比如运球，圈顶弧的跳投，跑动，传球，得分，但是他不能封盖。
如果姚明不能封盖，那么他就不会有统治力，不能改变对手防守对策，不能抢篮板。如果一个7尺5寸的人不能做到这些，那他还有什么意义呢?
可以向你保证，沙克不会因为担忧如何防守姚明而睡不着。然而火箭选择姚明，恰恰是基于季候赛的时候冲破沙克和湖人王朝。如果你7尺5寸，但是你不能封盖，不能改变对手的防守策略，那么你又是干什么的呢?只能是一个不可实现的，即将到来的姚王朝的噱头罢了。



yao was considered a bust before he ever played a game.
姚明甚至没有打一场比赛，就被人们认为是一个噱头


once he played and showed that he had skill, it was then that people went to the other extreem and said "well he should be dominant then".
一旦他开始比赛，比展示了他的能力，然后人们就走向了另一个极端并且说“他应该更有统治力”


i thought that was funny because a few months ago he was worse than shawn bradley now you're upset that he's not shaq?
我感觉到真滑稽，几个月以前，他甚至比大竹竿还糟糕，但是现在你竟然对他不是大鲨鱼而不快


ever since his rookie year he was compared to shaq. was amare compared to shaq? no. was it because his game is too different and yao is too similar? that's just stupid.
即使是他的新秀赛季，他也被用来和沙克做比较，小厮被用来和沙克比较了吗，没有。仅仅是因为他和小厮的比赛风格迥然不同，还是他太过于腼腆了？这真愚蠢。


i'd like to know how it is that a guy who was supposed to be rik smits ended up being compared to the most dominant player of this era for his whole career. that's just nuts.
我想知道的是，这个家伙曾经被比作rik smits，但是现在却拿来和联盟中，在他整个的职业生涯中，最有统治力的球员沙克做比较，这太疯狂了


why isn't dwight howard being compared to kareem? that seems just as fair. maybe chris paul should be compared to magic johnson...
为什么霍华德不拿来和kareem做比较，为了公平起见。或许保罗应该拿来和魔术师约翰逊做比较


i've never seen that kind of pressure before. notfor a guy that was supposed to be the equivilent of RIK SMITS!
我从来没有看见过这样的压力，尤其是对一个曾经被认为和RIK SMITS处在同一个水平的球员


On TNT, Yao went from "he couldnt score more than 18 pts a night" to "we all know he is a scoring center when he entered the league, but his 26/10 arent as dominant as Dwight Howard's 17/13 a night". So at least you see there is some progress on TNT.
在TNT，姚从一个“一场比赛永远不会超过18分的球员”，变到“我们知道他从进入联盟开始，就是一个得分机器，但是26/10的数据，不像霍华德的17/13那么有统治力”，你可以看到，在TNT，他们对姚明的评价，多少有点转变了


Also, Yao's comparison has been upgraded year by year, first he was compared to Shawn Bradley, and he will peak Rik Smits level. No more that kind of talk anymore. Now is that he is not as good as Shaq whatever many points scored on him because Shaq had 3 rings. Dwight Howard will surpass him. So there is some progress at least.
同样，那些用来和姚进行比较的球员，也一年一年的开始升级了。首先，他被比作布拉德利，职业生涯的颠峰可以到达Rik Smits的水平。现在再也没有这样的言论了，他现在被拿来和沙克做比较，认为他无论得多少分，他也不会和沙克一样优秀，因为沙克有3个冠军戒指。霍华德会超过姚明。因此这也多少有点进步了。



Anyone still remember when Tmac first joined the Rockets three years ago? He made such comments to the media which impress me the most. Tracy said he think Yao can be a very good player and he think Yao 'can be better than Rik Smits'.
My reaction was: Rik who?
是否还有人记得，当初麦迪刚刚加入火箭得时候，3年前了。他曾经向媒体做过以下类似得评论，我印象很深刻。麦迪说姚明会是一个出色的球员，但是他认为姚明不可能比Rik Smits更出色，我当时的反应就是，Rik Smits是谁呀



Okay... I'll grant you that. But there was certainly no question about Hakeem, Shaq, Ewing, Magic Johnson, James Worthy, etc.
我同意你的观点（前面有贴说冠军签，有真正的冠军，和被夸张了的冠军两种区别）当然，当你选择Hakeem, Shaq, Ewing, Magic Johnson, James Worthy,这些球员的时候，是没有任何疑问的。


Everyone knows that the quality of the draft has diminished significantly. The first pick is no longer guaranteed to have an impact on your team immediately. If fact this has become the exception.
任何人都知道，选秀的质量已经越来越不明显了。事实上冠军签也不在保证给球队立刻带来影响。但是火箭的那次选秀是个例外


That wasn't always the case.
这不是任何时候都可以发生的


But with that notion comes the idea of "draft hype", which is purely artificial and meant to generate excitement. It gives NBA fans something to talk about during the offseason.
但是说到“噱头签”，看上去的认为的，想产生更多的轰动效应。这会给NBA球迷在赛季以外，有更多的谈紫罢了




Anyway, my best expectation of Yao was 20pts/10rbs at that time. Obviously he was already beyond my hype last year. I think Adidas should have signed Yao for their commercials" Impossible is nothing"
无论如何，我当时对姚的最好期望就是20/10了，很明显，他去年已经超出了我最大的期望。我想阿迪达斯应该签约姚明，为了他们的广告“一切皆有可能”



I bet Bull's fans would die to have Yao over Jwilliams now. With the talent they have, they'd have a ring a year or two from now if Yao was on their squad.
如果公牛现在拥有姚明，而不是Jwilliams，我敢打赌，公牛球迷一定乐死啦。加上他们现在用于的天赋，如果姚明在他们球队，从现在开始的一到两年内，他们会有一个戒指的。



Yao was a very raw player coming out of China, but the size and the skills he possessed made him a can't miss prospect. Big men are usually drafted on potential, and it's very rare nowadays to see a big man or anyone for that matter become a force in their first couple of years in the league.
姚是一个来自中国的，没有任何经验的球员。他的身高和技术让他不得不承受更多的压力，他也不得辜负人们对他的期待。大个子球员往往因为有潜力而被选中。但是今天已经很难看到，一个大个子或者其他任何球员再被选中以后，在他们的头2个赛季会对球队有很大的贡献




The most impressive basketball trait that Yao possesses is not his physical talent. It is his unselfishness and his willingness and drive to improve his game with the intent of helping his team win ballgames.
姚明拥有的篮球特征，给人印象最深刻的不是他的身材天赋，是他的无私，是他基于想帮助球队赢球的愿望，而不断的提高他的比赛能力



Watching that tape of Jerry West talking about Yao Ming's game right before he was drafted just helps you understand how much Yao has developed as a player and a
person. West seemed only impressed with Yao as a shooter from outside of the lane. Everything else about his game(defense, inside scoring, post moves, footwork) was questionable, and look at where his hard work has gotten him now. I don't have to tell you guys what kind of player he has molded himself into.
看看Jerry West在姚明刚刚被选中的时候的评论，有助于你更加清楚的认识到，姚明作为一个球员和一个男人，他所取得的进步。Jerry West看上去对姚明的印象仅仅限于他能头在罚球线外跳投，其他所有的一切都有疑问。看看他自己的努力给他带来了什么变化吧，我想我没有必要告诉你们，他通过努力，使自己变成一个什么样的球员了吧。



Again, Yao was drafted on potential. The expectations for him coming in to the league were way too high. There were too many adjustments for him to make coming over from a different country to play against competition 5 times tougher than he was used to. Yao's will to succede is what has gotten him where he is today, and I don't expect his improvement to stop any time soon. The sky is the limit for him. Glad he is on our team.
是的，姚明被选中是因为他的潜力。他进入联盟以来人们对他的期待太高了。从一个竞争力5倍于他打球的联盟到一个完全不同的国度，他有太多的地方要调整。姚对成功的渴望，是他获得了今天的成绩。我希望他的进步永不停止，天空才是他的极限。高兴的是他在我们球队



OK, guys. Can you all talk about what were your predictions/thoughts on Yao around the time he was drafted by Rockets ? Did you see current Yao coming ? Honestly, I did not. But I'm very happy with him right now. Someone may start a poll on this.
好的，伙计们。你能说说当姚明被火箭选中的时候，你们对他的期望吗？那时你能看到现在的姚明吗？说时候，我没有。但是我对现在的他已经很兴奋了。我们应该做一个调查




History of Yao:

2002: Yao Ming sucks donkey balls. His coordination is so poor that he can't run and chew gum at the same time.

2006 (After Yao has averaged 26/11 in a long stretch and widely regarded as the best center in NBA): Yao Ming still sucks. He can't jump over 3 defenders and then do a 720 windmill dunk. It's the most unimpressive and least dominant 26/11 we have ever seen.

2012 (After Yao has won 3 rings as a Houston Rocket): Yao Ming still sucks. He can't cure cancer. A 7'6" should have been able to do more for mankind than only playing basketball.
姚明的历史：
2002：姚明打球真糟糕，他的协调性甚至不能边跑边嚼口香糖。
2006：（当姚场均26/11，被广泛的认可为联盟中最优秀的中锋）姚明仍旧很弱，他不能跳过3个防守队员，来一个720度的扣篮。这是我们所见过的，最没有统治力的26/11
2012：（当姚明在火箭有3个戒指的时候）：姚明仍旧很弱，他不能治愈癌症。一个7尺6寸的家伙应该给人类有更多的贡献，而不仅仅是打篮球




only expect him to be 19/9, never thought he could score more than 20 on average.

Even at 19/9, he is worth of the #1 pick given his competition in that weak draft. Of

course, if he only gets 19/9, and suppose I know Amare will do well later on, I might regret the #1 pick, but at the time of the draft, nobody thought Amare was #1. So under any circumstances, Yao would be picked #1.
我只期望他能到达19/9，永远也没有想到他可以场均得分20以上。即使他只有19/9，考虑到人们对他得评价，他也完全对得起他得1号签。当然了，如果他只有19/9，我当时会猜想小厮会做得更好，我也许会对他得1号签有遗憾，但是在选秀得时候，没有人认为小厮回是一号。因此无论如何，姚都是第一顺位



I thought we should trade the #1 pick for a high caliber front court player to team with Steve and Cat. I just thought drafting a giant dude from China with the top pick was too risky. But I was curious about this dude. So I searched the internet to get more info about him. And I found ClutchCity.net. And when I saw the videos posted here, I became a believer. The rest, as the saying goes, was history.
我以为我们会利用1号签，去交易个一个高质量得大前，和老猫和弗朗西丝一起打球。我只是想如果用1号签，去选择一个来自中国得巨人，太冒险了。但是我对这个家伙很有好奇心，就搜索网络，寻找关于他得消息和资料。这样我就发现了火箭论坛。当我发现这里有关他得视频的时候。我就深信不疑，其他的，就像刚才大家说的一样，都是历史了。



Plz keep this thread up... It is soo sweet to read this article here.
让这帖子继续置顶吧，读这些评论，太有意思了。



man, reading this articles, yao must have been having a really hard time over the years ... unbe-f**king-lievable ... but i bet he is smiling now ...
he is indeed a wonder ... i believe 99.9999% of people would have collapsed under a situation like that ...
GO YAO!
伙计们，读到这些评论，姚明这么多年以来，一定经历了一个很艰难的时刻。。。不可思议，我敢打赌，姚明现在一定笑了。他真是个奇迹，我相信99.9999％的人，如果处在这样的压力下，一定崩溃了。好的，前进，姚明。



Check what has been posted here about the media anticipation.
Sure Yao could be one of the highly anticipated rookies, well, not for success, but for failure, and to be laughed about, by the media. I suppose that's not hate?
刚刚读了贴到这里的有关媒体的期望。确实姚明是最被高估了的火箭球员。嗯，不是说媒体对姚明成功的期望，而是对失败的期望，被嘲笑的期望。我想这还不算是憎恨？



No doubt about that. Yao is a high-risk high-payoff pick. Both CD and Rudy T took lots of heats from the media in picking Yao. Some of the media people have been waiting for every opportunity to hammer on Yao in proving they are right. Even JVG tried recently to talk about that issue.
毫无疑问，姚是一个高风险，高回报的签。即使是范甘迪和Rudy T，对媒体都说过他们当时选择姚，有太多的担心。某些媒体的人们总是找任何一个机会，去攻击姚明，以此证明他们是对的。即使是范甘迪进来也谈论过这个问题

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