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原帖由 蛇狸 于 2017-2-25 16:02 发表
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难道帧数低你就不买了？
难道你知道这个机器性能差，任天堂开发团队就不知道吗？
人家一直致力于开发真正好玩的游戏，他们觉得这个主机性能够用，那就一定够用，你想玩超级画质的 ...

请教中国男足能不能进世界杯和其他人有关么，别人干嘛看球？

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原帖由 linkyw 于 2017-2-25 16:30 发表

看球我觉得倒是可以理解，肾上腺素嘛，而且身体再差也可以自己下场打那么几分钟

主机这事倒是……又不能自己定制个芯片自己做一台，而且游戏机这玩意最重要的难道不是游戏本身好不好玩？
游戏机玩参数我是不懂 ...

男足踢得好，对你没有任何影响，主机性能好点还有影响
而且ns的性能问题不是仅仅影响体验而已，就像wiiu的性能直接导致崩盘后第三方集体缺席

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原帖由 恋妖壶 于 2017-2-25 17:21 发表
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对啊，主机性能好点确实有影响，可是你窝在TGFC哪怕争论一百年能影响NS的性能有1毛钱提升吗？

这其实是我一直想问的，我不懂，你和卖哥在TGFC折腾这几个月，和其他人呛声那么多次 ...

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原帖由 恋妖壶 于 2017-2-19 01:09 发表
http://www.computerbild.de/artik ... h-Test-9208832.html

23333，而且原文说是目测的，这媒体是搞事情吧

233333

另外这贴好像不是我发的啊

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原帖由 恋妖壶 于 2017-2-25 17:27 发表
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喷了杠神你这转移话题的能力这么低了？

我发帖当然是因为对NS配置感兴趣，所以援引媒体转个新闻，但是我也不相信并且我的观点是我不知道NS是什么配置，大多数论坛玩家都是和我一 ...

请翻出我原文
这贴里谁说sb的，你可以看看

你再看看本帖中我的发言方式，有没有强迫别人同意的，还是提出问题

有的人没教养，不代表我逼他们承认什么，对吧

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New performance mode boosts Switch mobile clocks by 25 per cent
Digital Foundry on how developers can access more Switch GPU power, plus analysis of the recent teardown.

By Richard Leadbetter Published 25/02/2017

Platform: Switch

Mere days away from the Nintendo Switch's launch, elements of uncertainty still surround the final technical specifications for the new console - but a massive leak of Nintendo's developer documentation, along with a teardown of retail hardware by a Chinese parts firm may well have given the game away. Meanwhile, new information we've sourced reveals final tweaks Nintendo has made to hardware performance in the run-up to the console's release.

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As things stand, the documentation leak - dated as it is - serves to confirm much of what we already know about the system, but the teardown is something else. What's immediately apparent is that build quality and design is excellent. The Switch is a compact, elegant but simple design. The 4310mAh, 16Whr battery takes up a good portion of the internal space and by the looks of it, third party replacements by the end-user shouldn't be too difficult. Switch is held together by screws, with no evidence of the troublesome glue used in recent smartphone and tablet designs that makes taking apart (and putting back together) the latest gadgets so much more difficult.

There are a few additional points we can make about the Switch's set-up based on the Chinese teardown photography - a detachable MicroSD card reader is an interesting choice, for example. It seems to sit on top of the heat-shield when the unit is first opened. Quite why Nintendo would choose to make this a replaceable part is a bit of a mystery. The 32GB of eMMC NAND storage also seems to occupy its own mini-daughterboard, as opposed to being soldered directly onto the mainboard. This offers Nintendo the chance to more easily produce premium SKUs with more generous storage capacity, while retaining the same mainboard.

Nintendo Switch specs
However, it's the configuration of the processor and the cooling assembly that is more intriguing. A heat pipe siphons heat away from the Nvidia Tegra processor, while active cooling is available to stop the processor overheating, ensuring consistent performance - especially in docked mode, where the GPU clocks generally rise by a factor of 2.5x. Whether the fan kicks in at all in handheld mode remains to be seen, but it's something we will be testing in our upcoming review along with its acoustic performance.

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Gallery:The Chinese teardown from Taobao.com is comprehensive - we get to see the mainboard, processor and every detachable part. At this point all that's missing is solid confirmation on the 2GB LPDDR4 memory modules Nintendo is using - though we do know that Samsung supplies them.

But the big question over the internals concerns the nature of the Nvidia processor itself. A couple of weeks ago, the July 2016 leak effectively handed over almost everything we need to know about the hardware, but some of the details are at odds with a very specific leak from Chinese manufacturer, Foxconn, which is clearly based on first-hand knowledge of the Switch hardware, presumably from within its production facility. With a couple of exceptions, the Foxconn leak has proved highly accurate in describing the internal configuration of the Switch right down to the shape of the heatpipe and the capacity of the battery, but it also suggests that the Nvidia Tegra processor was tested for several days straight with CPU clocks operating at 1.78GHz and the GPU pushed to 921MHz.

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This is considerably higher than the clock-speeds we previously reported, representing a 20 per cent boost in terms of GPU power (921MHz vs 768MHz) and a 75 per cent bump to CPU power. In real life applications, the rise in graphics capabilities would be very useful but not exactly game-changing - but the CPU uplift certainly would change the outlook of the system's capabilities, allowing for much more complex game logic, animation and physics.

However, as much as we want the Foxconn clocks to be real, the weight of evidence is stacking up against this aspect of the leak. To maintain meaningful battery life with those clocks, we'd need to be looking at a 16nm FinFET chip and maybe even a new revision of the ARM CPU cores, and the Chinese teardown of the processor confirms that the physical size of the chip is seemingly unchanged from existing 20nm Tegra X1 SoC.


Reddit user Sherwood16 put together this comparison of the Tegra X1 in the 2017 revision of the Shield Android TV (left) and photography of the Switch SoC from the Chinese teardown (right).
The difference between 16nm and 20nm isn't actually about transistor size, but more about the 3D 'FinFET' transistors on the lower node. A 16nm SoC would be approximately the same size as the existing 20nm Tegra X1, but the difference here is that the teardown reveals a processor with seemingly identical dimensions. Also interesting is that the processor is surrounded by the same surface-mounted arrangement of what are likely to be decoupling capacitors, there to reduce noise on the power lines. The initial conclusion we have is that we are looking at a more lightly modified X1, still on the 20nm process, which ties in more closely with the clocks we reported - and indeed every non-Foxconn spec leak seen to date.

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However, there is some interesting news. While the main clock configurations for docked and undocked modes remain the same, Nintendo has added to the available performance modes available to developers in a recent update. However, we're looking at a bump to mobile GPU power, not a validation of the Foxconn clock-speeds. If the frequencies reported there were ever running on Switch, we believe they may well have been a stress test of thermal limits on the X1-derived hardware, designed to offer Nintendo a best-case scenario on just how far the processor could be pushed with its chosen cooling assembly, before finalising its retail specification. Modern consoles tend to be more conservatively clocked in order to ensure stability and reliability.

As things stand, our previously reported CPU and GPU clocks remain the default configurations for docked and handheld modes. However, having looked first-hand at a revised version of the document we previously saw in December, a new 'NX add-on' note appended to the doc introduces an expanded table of operating modes. This is how the table looks now, with the new additions in bold.


Rich and John sit down to discuss the Switch hardware and the games revealed at the recent press event.
Undocked
Available CPU Speeds        1020MHz
Available GPU Speeds        307.2MHz/384MHz
Available Memory Controller Speeds        1331.2MHz
Docked
Available CPU Speeds        1020MHz
Available GPU Speeds        307.2MHz/384MHz/768MHz
Available Memory Controller Speeds        1331.2MHz/1600MHz
The key addition is a new mode seemingly designed to beef up handheld performance. Developers can opt for a 384MHz GPU clock - a straight 25 per cent uplift in compute power compared to the default 307.2MHz option. Both frequencies are available to developers in what it calls 'normal mode' operation - and to be clear, users will not be able to choose between them. Additionally, adjustments have been made to available memory bandwidth. In our prior story, we revealed that in undocked mode, developers could choose between running the LPDDR4 memory at either 1600MHz or 1331.2MHz. The 1600MHz option is now only available in 'boost mode' - when Switch is docked - while 1600MHz support in mobile mode is deprecated. As before, developers can opt to run handheld modes while in the dock too, and to be clear, the documentation has no new modes for docked performance. On top of that, we should stress that not all games will use the 384MHz GPU mobile mode - game-makers will choose the best fit for their projects, and 307.2MHz remains the default option.

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Moving into pure speculation mode for a moment, we wonder whether Zelda uses the new mobile GPU clock mode - it closes the gap a little between handheld and docked GPU performance and combined with only a small leap in memory bandwidth, this may explain why the title renders at 720p on the go, but only 900p when docked. Beyond that, we also wonder whether using the 384MHz mode may come with compromises elsewhere in the system - perhaps by disabling WiFi (PS Vita also had multiple performance modes and one of them did turn off WiFi in order to repurpose the power budget). This is speculation of course, and as always, time will tell.

The expanded table above still shows memory frequencies in line with Tegra X1's capabilities and a look at the Chinese Switch teardown shows two Samsung LPDDR4 modules in parallel, in exactly the same configuration used in Shield Android TV. The only difference seems to come from the capacity of the RAM chips. Shield uses two 1.5GB modules, while Switch ups that to a 2x 2GB configuration for 4GB of total system memory. Identifying the exact modules used has been a lengthy topic of discussion owing to a colossal watermark obscuring the chips on the Chinese photography, but there has been some excellent detective work over at NeoGAF. The precise parts are still unconfirmed but the configuration strongly suggests a 64-bit memory bus, again tying in with the existing Switch spec leaks and ruling out the 128-bit interface used with the Pascal-based 16nm Tegra X2.


John and Rich collect their thoughts based on their respective playthroughs of The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild at the January Switch hands-on event.
On top of all this data and analysis, we can add an additional metric on top - power consumption from the wall in docked mode, measured from final retail Switch hardware. Under load, the highest power draw we've seen so far is 16W. The launch version of the Tegra X1-powered Shield Android TV comes in at 19.5W. It should be stressed that this can only be a ballpark comparison in power consumption between the two devices - after all, clock-speeds are different and we can't compare identical content running on each device. However, if Switch were utilising a 16nm processor, the chances are that power consumption would be considerably lower.

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While there is still the possibility of a more refined SoC within the retail hardware, the bottom line is that Switch has a processor that looks like a Tegra X1, with specs from Nintendo in line with X1, and power consumption that fits the characteristics of the chip's 20nm fabrication process (and power draw analysis of the second Shield revision may prove illuminating as a closer comparison point). To what extent Nintendo and Nvidia have customised the technology remains unknown - but major revisions to the hardware would almost certainly have resulted in a noticeable change in dimensions for the final silicon compared to Tegra X1, something that isn't apparent on the Switch SoC.

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While the teardown photos, prior leaks and new developer documentation all point towards mature Tegra technology inside the Switch, the fact remains that this is by far and away the most powerful handheld console ever made, backed by a dedicated API designed to extract maximum performance from the hardware. However, the gulf in performance between mobile and docked configurations is considerable, which may require graphical compromises when gaming on the go.

At this point, the spec story may well have run its course, but in the run-up to launch, this is actually where things get really interesting. The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild may well be the most ambitious mobile title ever made, and a great indicator of how developers will scale experiences between handheld and docked Switch configurations. Is resolution the only compromise? Next week, we'll have a full hardware review, plus detailed Zelda Switch and Wii U analysis, and we look forward to sharing our results.

最新分析，而且有开发方最近的文档支持，所以可以说没悬念了，看上去自从上次泄露后，掌机模式多了个384的选项，比300高一些

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最重要的是,euro是有零售主机的，已经测试过docked模式功耗可达到16w,掌机模式不可能维持同样频率

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原帖由 @FantasyJim  于 2017-2-26 09:59 发表
杠神这么在乎性能，为什么还用红米手机………

手机需要玩游戏么？红米暴死会影响安卓生态么？
而且也不是性能的事，而是反映了任天堂对硬件的错误认识还在延续，用20nm真的是极其短视的

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原帖由 @FantasyJim  于 2017-2-26 10:05 发表
我的意思你用红米note3说明你觉得够用了
ns作为掌机，目前的性能我觉得也足够了

你我觉得是否够用这不重要，重要的任天堂的思路和第三方又一次的脱节

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原帖由 @蘑菇和跳！  于 2017-2-26 10:25 发表
第三方哪儿说过思路脱节了，fami通调查的第三方里有超过一半的厂商正在给NS开发游戏，另外25%讨论中。这个支持率很高啊。

ニンテンドースイッチ用のソフトを実際に開発しているメーカーは、ファミ通のアンケート結果によれば、全体の54％です。

　また、「検討中」は25％であり、合わせると約80％が、ニンテンドースイッチ用ソフトの開発に関心があるということになります。

　そして、アンケートでは、将来的にスイッチソフトを発売する予定があるかどうかも質問されています。

　この質問への回答は、「発売予定がある」が46％、「検討中」が46％となっており、合計で92％も発売を検討しているという高い結果が出ています。

FIFA也算开发啊，注意ns也替代了家用机