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原帖由 west2046 于 2011-8-19 18:33 发表

比残废机卖得还少的是什么机？

是上一代残废机

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原帖由 azuth 于 2011-8-26 15:24 发表



某机可是有选择章节安装游戏得花5分钟哦

某机传说中需要安装22G数据的 老滚5 不知道得花几分钟哦

等我入了360我要来次360 PS3超级大对比
一个一个揭穿某群体的谎言。
一个个推翻某群体靠造假PS等手段
YY某游戏360版 较好的言论

喷了 有360的LS们也只会睁眼说瞎话！

[ 本帖最后由 leon2510 于 2011-8-29 19:47 编辑 ]

没360就代表没玩过？IQ倒退？
数年来的 某群体对比！ 作假数不胜数！

当然造假 的领头人是MS
MS某高层自己承认销量造假。
某群体和MS真是一家人 喜欢造假 也是一样的。

[ 本帖最后由 leon2510 于 2011-8-29 19:43 编辑 ]

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原帖由 solbadguy 于 2011-8-29 17:38 发表


5年了，一天1块多就能买的东西 敢情之前你都是打嘴炮啊？

360不好是事实！之所以不买，就是认为这货不值得买！
好游戏少，质量又差！

难道有360和PS3的LS们你们 所有游戏都玩过了？
没玩过那你们也不一直在干嘴炮？
你们现在就在干嘴炮，神海3 你们都玩到正式版了？没玩到那你们还是在干嘴炮

难道你们玩360游戏都不安装的？既然安装还在那喷PS3要安装，那你们还是在干嘴炮。
360游戏中有不LOADING的吗？有就拿出来，不拿出来 你们这嘴炮可是干大发了。

[ 本帖最后由 leon2510 于 2011-8-29 20:44 编辑 ]

免責聲明: 注意以下引用的資料本人沒有相關的專業知識去分辯.大家只作參考看過就算吧。bd是普遍資料說的每倍速36mbps還是54mbps我不知道, 不過有點可以確認的是12倍速dvd的最高速度128mbps只有在讀取光碟最外圍資料時才有。 (之前用英文時好像有人把它當作原文了)!

以下簡略翻譯意思, 若認為有誤或扭曲歡迎提出更正。

http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?t=447464&page=31#
First of all, Blu-Ray specifications are CLV. DVD spec is CAV. You therefore cannot even compare the two specifications in the first place and in NO way can you conclude that the performance will be "less than half" by using the maximum number of a constant angular drive. That is absurd. "

Besides, the minimum spec for Blu-Ray is 54mbps read speed for a BD-ROM. There is some confusion because a 1X data speed has been spec'd at 36.5mbps which is supposed to be for recordable media. Remember, the minimum read speed required by BD drives for BD-ROM is 54mbps, and this is a CLV drive. This is common knowledge. Any confusion comes from minimum read speeds for data recordables, but the experts are not confused: http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/interview/?id=10603
Either way, since your DVD specification is constant angular velocity, you're comparison defines the saying "apples and oranges." You are in effect taking the absolute best performance of the DVD drives, found only on the outer diameter of the physical disc, and comparing it to a specification which is constant no matter where the data is located. The real world performance will not be "half" unless you are talking about a few megabytes on the outer rim of the DVD... the transfer rate dropoff from that point goes all the way to 8.2 MB/s. The majority of data on a DVD 12X drive will be transferred at the mean area, which is a little over 12 MB/s(發文者好像筆誤了,該是16MB/s), whereas the BD transfer rate, even at your data spec, will always be around 9 MB/s no matter what. And if experts like the VP of Sonopress are to be believed, someone in charge of technology at one of the largest disc manufacturing firms in the world, along with taking into account that we know the minimum max read speed for consumer BD drives for BD-ROM will be 54Mbps (the 2X read specification would therefore be 108Mbps), then at 2X that is a little over 13 MB/s. This would actually be CONSISTENTLY FASTER than a DVD constant angular drive at 12X in all but the most outer rims of the DVD.

很多人對bd的速度有所誤解, 36.5mbps只是1倍速bd可寫入媒體的速度。  blu-ray光驅最基本的讀取速度要求是 54mbps。
12倍速的dvd最外圍資料傳送速度為12MB/s多點, 但這速度到內圈時會跌到約8.2MB/s. 而2倍bd就是用72mbps計算, 不管從碟上那處讀取也能保持一直保持約9mb/s的速度1 [: n7 G5 A: A' ?
若用108mbps計更能比達到13MB/s多點, 基本上比12倍dvd為快, 除了dvd在讀取最外圈的資料時。
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這是文中的連結http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/interview/?id=10603
內容是對全球其中一間最大的多媒體企業Sonopress(http://195.71.127.123/index.php?id=720) (對hddvd和bd都支持的企業), 科研部副總裁Peter Schaper的專訪
在此只引用關鍵部份
BIZ: What are the likely Blu-ray player speeds at launch, knowing that movie playback is 1.5x of "reference velocity"? What speed would a 2x Blu-ray
drive transfer data at? 72Mbs or 108Mbs? 2倍速的bd資料傳送速度是多少

PS: 108 Mbs.;

Either way, at either spec, this in no way can be interpreted to translate to "less than half" of the real world performance, especially since in the real world the only reason to compare read speeds is load times, and not only can you not compare load times of the maximum data rate of a constant angular drive versus a constant linear one, let alone red flag yourself by comparing the MAXIMUM transfer rate of a constant angular drive against a CLV which is totally absurd, you also can't compare "load times" during gaming of a console with a standard hard drive versus one without. Either way we'll have to wait and see when games are actually out.

這裡主要說ps3和360都有 hdd, 所以只比光驅讀取速度沒什麼意思4 x1 ~(
實際遊戲時的再計算讀取時間更實際


再加多點個人看法： 對bd是不是能不管資料在光碟的那裡都能恆速成疑(因為本人不知CLV和CAV是什麼), 但很同出了遊戲再看讀取時間更實際。 另外在Peter Schaper的專訪中也提及其實bd和hd dvd的成本差距沒toshiba說的那麼多。

[ 本帖最后由 leon2510 于 2011-8-31 14:41 编辑 ]

lz就别吵了 读盘有时PS3快有时360快！
你必须承认360有读盘比PS3慢的。