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作者: Zechs    时间: 2023-7-5 09:48     标题: 微软公布今年内将发售的PS5 Slim?

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在微软提交的一份文件中提到了SIE的新型PS5发售计划,并指其售价将落在399.99美元

该文件的“主机市场当然包括任天堂”章节里,微软提到不能因为PS5标准版和XSX价格相近而把主机之争限定在XBOX和PS两者之间,毕竟同属本世代的XSS比任天堂的OLED版Switch还便宜50美元。出乎意料的是在本段结尾处微软提到SIE也将在年内推出PS5的新型号,PlayStation 5 Slim,定价和较便宜的数字版PS5一致为399美元。

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cand.413969/gov.uscourts.cand.413969.177.0_1.pdf

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作者: 夕雨    时间: 2023-7-5 09:56

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ps5 pro?
作者: 爱猫咪的薛定谔    时间: 2023-7-5 10:01

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数字版本来就卖399啊…
作者: Zechs    时间: 2023-7-5 10:04

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原帖由 @爱猫咪的薛定谔  于 2023-7-5 10:01 发表
数字版本来就卖399啊…
“PlayStation likewise sells a less expensive Digital Edition for $399.99, and is
expected to release a PlayStation 5 Slim later this year at the same reduced price point”
是的,这里是指PS5产品线里“更便宜的”。不是和原来的数字版比。
作者: 爱猫咪的薛定谔    时间: 2023-7-5 10:05

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原文说的不是数字版

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作者: link520    时间: 2023-7-5 10:10

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光驱真要分开卖了?
作者: 光顶肥宅    时间: 2023-7-5 10:11

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都快满3年了,该出新版了

最好再来个pro
作者: Zechs    时间: 2023-7-5 10:15

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原帖由 @爱猫咪的薛定谔  于 2023-7-5 10:05 发表
原文说的不是数字版

本帖最后由 爱猫咪的薛定谔 于 202375 02:06 通过手机版编辑
文件里确实没明确Slim是不是数字版
发的时候自动带入之前看到的“光驱外置”的传闻了
作者: 咸蛋小朋友    时间: 2023-7-5 10:17

应该就是光驱可以外置的新版吧
作者: Zechs    时间: 2023-7-5 10:24

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原帖由 @咸蛋小朋友  于 2023-7-5 10:17 发表
应该就是光驱可以外置的新版吧
真是年內發售的話 最快8月就會送交FCC審核了 那時應該就知道了
作者: DarthVadar    时间: 2023-7-5 10:36

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标题党

微软怎么知道ps5卖不卖slim,文件是指内部有一些预测,原文也写的是指预计可能发售。

包括微软还expect了ps6会在2028上市,按照楼主的思路就是微软公布2028 ps6发售
作者: Zechs    时间: 2023-7-5 10:54

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原帖由 @DarthVadar  于 2023-7-5 10:36 发表
标题党

微软怎么知道ps5卖不卖slim,文件是指内部有一些预测,原文也写的是指预计可能发售。

包括微软还expect了ps6会在2028上市,按照楼主的思路就是微软公布2028 ps6发售
要不先去查查assume和expect的区别?再查查  be expected to的意思? 拿中文回来推敲英文没法聊啊
btw, the price and launch window are also specified.

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作者: DarthVadar    时间: 2023-7-5 11:01

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原帖由 @Zechs  于 2023-7-5 10:54 发表
要不先去查查assume和expect的区别?再查查  be expected to的意思? 拿中文回来推敲英文没法聊啊
btw, the price and launch window are also specified.

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Court documents have revealed that Microsoft expects the next console generation to begin no earlier than 2028.

The successors to the PS5 and the Xbox Series X's "expected starting period" is 2028 according to court documents revealed in the ongoing FTC legal battle. This means that a proposed PS6 and next-generation Xbox console will debut eight years after the launch of the current console systems


Where is your “assume“?
作者: yang_yii    时间: 2023-7-5 11:01

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SLIM都传了好长时间了,今年发售也很正常啊。
现在ssd也降价了,搞不好有2tb版本。
作者: 不紧张的不    时间: 2023-7-5 11:07

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性能也就那样了
体积降下来才是关键
作者: DarthVadar    时间: 2023-7-5 11:12

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The verge的标题可比这个准确多了
https://www.theverge.com/2023/7/4/23783621/microsoft-playstation-5-slim-model-release-date-pricing


Microsoft seems to think we’re getting a PS5 Slim this year

而且预测ps5 slim的同一份文件还包括了对掌机设备的部分,并且并不完全准确

Microsoft’s prediction also has a footnote that says “Sony is also anticipated to release a handheld version of PlayStation 5 later this year for under $300,” which isn’t fully accurate. Sony is planning a handheld device later this year that can run PS5 games by streaming them over Wi-Fi from a PS5 console. Microsoft doesn’t cite any third-party sources for the PS5 slim timing or pricing in its findings of fact and conclusion of law document.
作者: Zechs    时间: 2023-7-5 11:17

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#13
assume = “预测” as in“文件是指内部有一些预测,原文也写的是指预计可能发售。”
expected to happen 不是期待(预测)某事会发生,是已经清楚这件事将会发生,并有所准备。

The successors to the PS5 and the Xbox Series X's "expected starting period" is 2028 according to court documents revealed in the ongoing FTC legal battle.
同样的,微软不是在“猜”次世代交接期出现在2028之后,微软是这么计划的。

5th grade English lesson?

本帖最后由 Zechs 于 2023-7-5 11:27 通过手机版编辑
作者: DarthVadar    时间: 2023-7-5 11:32

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Your title used the word "announce"

Microsoft expects the next console generation to begin no earlier than 2028.

According to your logic it should be titled as "Microsoft announces that the release of PS6 will take place before 2028" which clearly is not true.
作者: DarthVadar    时间: 2023-7-5 11:39

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显然The Verge的英文母语编辑也只是5th grade的英语水平了,居然认为microsoft的expect只是prediction

Microsoft thinks we’re getting a PS5 Slim model later this year that might be priced at $399.99. The software giant is currently waiting a ruling in the FTC v. Microsoft hearing and as part of the case Microsoft has filed documents which reveal it thinks a PS5 Slim is on the way “later this year.” Here’s exactly what Microsoft says:

PlayStation likewise sells a less expensive Digital Edition for $399.99, and is expected to release a PlayStation 5 Slim later this year at the same reduced price point.

Insider Gaming reported last year that Sony was preparing for a PS5 with a detachable disc drive for September 2023. The console is rumored to be sold on its own without the disc drive or in a bundle, which suggests Sony could be considering making the slimmer version of the PS5 the default. This would allow people to pick with or without a bundled drive, with the option to add a drive later on if needed. Currently you have to either buy a $399 PS5 Digital Edition or the $499 PS5 with a disc drive, but there’s no option to connect an optional drive at a later date.

Microsoft’s prediction also has a footnote that says “Sony is also anticipated to release a handheld version of PlayStation 5 later this year for under $300,” which isn’t fully accurate. Sony is planning a handheld device later this year that can run PS5 games by streaming them over Wi-Fi from a PS5 console. Microsoft doesn’t cite any third-party sources for the PS5 slim timing or pricing in its findings of fact and conclusion of law document.

If Microsoft’s knowledge of Sony’s planned PlayStation hardware is accurate, it wouldn’t be the first time we’ve seen secrets spill in FTC v. Microsoft. Last week a confidential Sony document wasn’t properly redacted, leading to details spilling about the margins Sony shares with publishers, its Call of Duty revenues, and even the cost of developing some of its games.

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作者: Alfredno1    时间: 2023-7-5 11:48

赶紧出pro! 2K 30帧受够了
作者: Zechs    时间: 2023-7-5 11:50

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原帖由 @DarthVadar  于 2023-7-5 11:32 发表
Your title used the word "announce"

Microsoft expects the next console generation to begin no earlier than 2028.

According to your logic it should be titled as "Microsoft announces that the release of PS6 will take place before 2028" which clearly is not true.
According to the definition in Merriam-Webster, "announce" is "to make known publicly", regardless of the truth or falsity. It works in both English and Mandarin.
作者: 盖茨比兄贵    时间: 2023-7-5 12:25

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原帖由 @Zechs  于 2023-7-5 10:15 发表
文件里确实没明确Slim是不是数字版
发的时候自动带入之前看到的“光驱外置”的传闻了
上一台光驱可选外置的主机,就是Xbox360,当时外置光驱还是HD-DVD,后来被blue-Ray淘汰了。。。。
作者: Zechs    时间: 2023-7-5 12:38

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原帖由 @DarthVadar  于 2023-7-5 11:39 发表
显然The Verge的英文母语编辑也只是5th grade的英语水平了,居然认为microsoft的expect只是prediction

Microsoft thinks we’re getting a PS5 Slim model later this year that might be priced at $399.99. The software giant is currently waiting a ruling in the FTC v. Microsoft hearing and as part of the case Microsoft has filed documents which reveal it thinks a PS5 Slim is on the way “later this year.” Here’s exactly what Microsoft says:

PlayStation likewise sells a less expensive Digital Edition for $399.99, and is expected to release a PlayStation 5 Slim later this year at the same reduced price point.

Insider Gaming reported last year that Sony was preparing for a PS5 with a detachable disc drive for September 2023. The console is rumored to be sold on its own without the disc drive or in a bundle, which suggests Sony could be considering making the slimmer version of the PS5 the default. This would allow people to pick with or without a bundled drive, with the option to add a drive later on if needed. Currently you have to either buy a $399 PS5 Digital Edition or the $499 PS5 with a disc drive, but there’s no option to connect an optional drive at a later date.

Microsoft’s prediction also has a footnote that says “Sony is also anticipated to release a handheld version of PlayStation 5 later this year for under $300,” which isn’t fully accurate. Sony is planning a handheld device later this year that can run PS5 games by streaming them over WiFi from a PS5 console. Microsoft doesn’t cite any thirdparty sources for the PS5 slim timing or pricing in its findings of fact and conclusion of law document.

If Microsoft’s knowledge of Sony’s planned PlayStation hardware is accurate, it wouldn’t be the first time we’ve seen secrets spill in FTC v. Microsoft. Last week a confidential Sony document wasn’t properly redacted, leading to details spilling about the margins Sony shares with publishers, its Call of Duty revenues, and even the cost of developing ...
It is Microsoft who "believes" that PS5 Slim will land by the end of this year and made it official on papers committed to the court.
Discussions are only based on facts not predictions in court as you may have already known, otherwise Microsoft could just flood "predictions" like PS5 would go $299 in near future which is obviously inevitable.
The reason why that editor took them as predictions is simply that he was not buying what Microsoft claimed in that document since no third-party sources are showed to endorse them.  
You can easily find a lot of reports that took it seriously.  
https://earlygame.com/gaming/ps5-slim-release-price
https://insider-gaming.com/playstation-5-slim/
https://gamerant.com/microsoft-ftc-document-ps5-slim/
作者: sigmaxion    时间: 2023-7-5 13:00

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泥球头号企业为了400美元操碎了心也是服气
作者: wanghujin    时间: 2023-7-5 13:15

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但是微软的xbox SX的硬件真心不错。
作者: 爱猫咪的薛定谔    时间: 2023-7-5 13:25

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原帖由 @wanghujin  于 2023-7-5 05:15 发表
但是微软的xbox SX的硬件真心不错。
所以微软限制生产

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作者: DarthVadar    时间: 2023-7-5 13:31

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Court documents are legal records that contain various assertions, arguments, and claims made by the involved parties. These documents are part of a legal process and may include opinions, beliefs, or predictions related to the case.

The term "expected" suggests a level of anticipation or belief about a future outcome, but it does not necessarily guarantee its certainty. The information about the handheld device in the same document has already been proved inaccurate, compromising the certainty of projection from Microsoft.

And you should clearly notice the reports you referenced never used the word "announce", but "leak" or "reveal". The court document was an unofficial disclosure of information that may not have been intended for public knowledge. It is not Microsoft's place to announce a product from a competitor like Sony. Microsoft's mention of Sony's potential release of a PS5 Slim in a court document does not constitute an official confirmation or announcement from Microsoft about Sony's plans.
作者: Zechs    时间: 2023-7-5 14:10

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You can tell the difference between court documents and documents committed to court, right?
You can comprehend the sentence "Discussions are only based on facts not predictions in court", right?
Basically, what you tried to say is that Microsoft was just assuming a new model PS5 would come out and put that on papers to persuade court of that there is also a competition under $400 including Nintendo. If Microsoft's claim is entirely based on assumption, it should go "Nintendo is releasing successor of Switch priced at $399".  Both you and I would know that it will end up as a ridiculous joke.
Again, if Microsoft was just speculating things they have no clues, why media bothered to follow.
Enjoy it.
https://kotaku.com/playstation-5-pro-slim-microsoft-xbox-series-s-x-sony-1850604418

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作者: DarthVadar    时间: 2023-7-5 14:56

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Kotaku's title is clearly clickbait like yours, with a subtitle "Court documents show the Xbox creator not only revealing the PS5 Slim, but pricing it at $400", using a more appropriate term.
The term “reveal” was used throughout the text.
Again, it is not Microsoft's place to announce any product from a competitor like Sony.

And the anticipation from Microsoft is based on current-gen products and previous patterns, given that all PlayStation consoles have released a "slim" version. It is a reasonable prediction but apparently not a confirmation or an announcement.
作者: Nemo_theCaptain    时间: 2023-7-5 15:03

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所以微软限制生产

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跟PS5抢不过产能罢了,而且微软自己也在靠XSS这个本质上非次世代的玩意混数量
最重要的是微软上个月已经明确说了本世代自己不出半代升级,甚至表示XSX就是半代升级
作者: 爱猫咪的薛定谔    时间: 2023-7-5 15:13

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原帖由 @Nemo_theCaptain  于 2023-7-5 07:03 发表
跟PS5抢不过产能罢了,而且微软自己也在靠XSS这个本质上非次世代的玩意混数量
最重要的是微软上个月已经明确说了本世代自己不出半代升级,甚至表示XSX就是半代升级
抢产能1年还能解释,几年就是借口了,当年天蝎也没怎么缺货过
作者: Zechs    时间: 2023-7-5 15:42

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Just answering the question that if Microsoft was "assuming" there is a new model PS5 coming out this year.
not interesting to discuss when and how to use the word "announce".
Again, based on courtroom ethics, media reactions and English grammar, it's nonsense to believe that Microsoft just bet on the upcoming new model PS5 with details like price and launch time.
BTW you can keep changing subjects as you like.
作者: 象拔蚌    时间: 2023-7-5 15:46

巨硬和大法成了闺蜜?
作者: Zechs    时间: 2023-7-5 15:49

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原帖由 @Nemo_theCaptain  于 2023-7-5 15:03 发表
跟PS5抢不过产能罢了,而且微软自己也在靠XSS这个本质上非次世代的玩意混数量
最重要的是微软上个月已经明确说了本世代自己不出半代升级,甚至表示XSX就是半代升级
这一点上我比较赞同杠神的观点 无论出于什么理由(价格劣势or全球汇率影响or市场景气or普及XGP)XSX的出货数量更大的可能是主观上被压低的
作者: Nemo_theCaptain    时间: 2023-7-5 16:30

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这一点上我比较赞同杠神的观点 无论出于什么理由(价格劣势or全球汇率影响or市场景气or普及XGP)XSX的出货数量更大的可能是主观上被压低的
我也提到了XSS在混数量啊
但是还记得首发的时候第三方做的拆解么,XSS在那个价位对于微软其实比XSX更不舒服
然而微软还是要支持XSS,一方面是2020-2021年确实PS5和XSX的产能都有问题,这时候XSS可以抢占更多市场
巴西微软发出来的数据已经证明了的确有很多人是买不到PS5才买XSS的(其实2021年连PS4都不那么好买),当然这不意味着他们永远不会买PS5

而现在1TB版XSS的推出,本质上是解决价位和成本之间的矛盾
加的那点容量成本远不及售价的提升,这样微软就能更舒服的卖XSS了

所以1TB版出的前后你说故意压低XSX我绝对相信
之前的话,应该没那么刻意

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作者: DarthVadar    时间: 2023-7-5 16:35

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I have said clearly from the very start that use of “announce” is clickbait and inaccurate.
And it is you who use this word in the first place.

The interpretation from verge shows for native speakers, considering the context, the quotes from the court document are predictions and anticipations. You can teach them whatever grammar you like…

Microsoft made a reasonable anticipation based on current gen products and patterns from previous generations. And you tried conceptual shift to mispresent my point by using betting or guessing.
作者: 爱猫咪的薛定谔    时间: 2023-7-5 16:36

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xss 抢市场要打折,很可能还会买ps5 当主力,游戏消费潜力有限,等对手供货正常后更是帮倒忙

何况xss 长期不缺货,调整一下出货比例更有利于扩大用户量

要是xss 月月爆卖供不应求,微软再考虑怎么让xsx为小弟让路不迟…

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作者: Zechs    时间: 2023-7-5 18:25

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You lectured that "expected to release" means they are nothing but some assumptions,
as in "微软怎么知道ps5卖不卖slim,文件是指内部有一些预测,原文也写的是指预计可能发售。"
which is totally ridiculous and even a 5th grade student could get that nuance.   
And for a thousandth time, no shit was never given to who or when or how to use the word "announce" and it has nothing to do with the so-called "原文也写的是指预计可能发售。", period.
作者: tommyshy    时间: 2023-7-5 19:10

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slim版可以买一个
作者: DarthVadar    时间: 2023-7-5 20:56

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Again brazenly try to shun your click-baiting by using “announce” (as I have said in the FIRST reply) Your reasoning and wording is a total mess

微软还expect了ps6会在2028上市,按照楼主的思路就是微软公布2028 ps6发售

Same logic, same absurdity
作者: gd08msplus    时间: 2023-7-5 21:03

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微软你把新ns公布下吧
作者: hjwwei    时间: 2023-7-6 02:29

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为什么不是359
作者: Search    时间: 2023-7-6 04:09

这最早

是来自台积电内部人员的情报

事实上新版的PS5也比较容易设计出同捆限定机!

外观也比现在又大又丑的厚版PS5好看!

另外

如果你的PS5玩游戏

出现过1~~2次画面死机/过热...需要重启..风扇变大声..等问题

建议还是早点出掉你的PS5

新工艺+未来的新游戏设计会恒定全速.....

PS5厚机会出现类似PS3死黄的灾情!!!



-最後

PS5 PRO 是100%确定
作者: lencil    时间: 2023-7-6 10:16

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原帖由 夕雨 于 2023-7-5 09:56 发表
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ps5 pro?
应该不会有了,主机玩得就是硬件稳定,ps4 pro证明是个极其失败的作品。
作者: 爱猫咪的薛定谔    时间: 2023-7-6 10:19

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原帖由 @Search  于 2023-7-5 20:09 发表
这最早

是来自台积电内部人员的情报

事实上新版的PS5也比较容易设计出同捆限定机!

外观也比现在又大又丑的厚版PS5好看!

另外

如果你的PS5玩游戏

出现过1~~2次画面死机/过热...需要重启..风扇变大声..等问题

建议还是早点出掉你的PS5

新工艺+未来的新游戏设计会恒定全速.....

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好家伙,之前还是ps5 过几年会出现大规模质量问题,现在又改版成新版本升频还要硬拉强老版本受灾,咋们能不能考虑一下索尼会不会蠢到超频暴增故障率啊233
作者: zrmm1985    时间: 2023-7-6 11:59

xgp价格爆涨,再加上低价区福利渐渐消失国内这两年冒出来的所谓软粉也会销声匿迹了吧
作者: link520    时间: 2023-7-6 12:48

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原帖由 @zrmm1985  于 2023-7-6 11:59 发表
xgp价格爆涨,再加上低价区福利渐渐消失国内这两年冒出来的所谓软粉也会销声匿迹了吧
只要金会员这个官方漏洞在应该问题不大




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